Non Tuned CAI

[Martman GT]

And shitcan the powertrain warranty in the process...you're not making any sense here.

The sense in that is I didn't put a tune in my car so my warranty is in tact. I'm simply stating a CAI isn't going to do anything on it's own. There was a thread done a while back where a guy took his GT with CAI to the track and made 2 passes, then during the lunch break, put his factory air box back in and made 2 more passes. Even though conditions got a little worse (his buddy ran with no changes to his car) his 1/4 mile time improved over the runs with the CAI and his buddy car went a little bit slower. That info was better than any dyno numbers IMO. It's been mentioned time and again how efficient the stock air box really is.

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[4V Mayhem]

I've never seen anyone run better with the stock airbox on any car than with a CAI. In fact, most of my friends tend to run about .2 seconds faster after a CAI. Sometimes a bit faster when a tune is thrown in.

 

[beefcake]

we typically pick up .1 to .15 at the track with the jlts and roush cais

alot of people complain about higher iats on the stock airbox, but once you get moving, thats non issue, who really cares about iats when your sitting idling......

 

[4V Mayhem]

Everybody complains about IATs now simply because they can see it on the dash. Never mind all the years that people have gone to the track and sat there in the pits waiting to run while IATs climbed. Now all of a sudden it's a big thing. Even with the stock box IATs will climb. Probably even more than with a CAI.

 

[Concrete GT]

The sense in that is I didn't put a tune in my car so my warranty is in tact. I'm simply stating a CAI isn't going to do anything on it's own. There was a thread done a while back where a guy took his GT with CAI to the track and made 2 passes, then during the lunch break, put his factory air box back in and made 2 more passes. Even though conditions got a little worse (his buddy ran with no changes to his car) his 1/4 mile time improved over the runs with the CAI and his buddy car went a little bit slower. That info was better than any dyno numbers IMO. It's been mentioned time and again how efficient the stock air box really is.

Way too many variables for a fair comparison here. Track condition? Driver responses? Heat/Humidity? Fuel? Tire stickiness/slippage? Head wind/Tail wind? Shifting?
I simply changed a filter and the intake tube on my car and it was very noticeable, so much so that my wife who's also drives the car regularly, and only in normal mode, ask if I had "done" anything to the car. She was totally unaware of the tube swap....Beyond 5000 rpm there really isn't anything different, however between 1000 and 4500-5000 there is more than a noticeable difference.

 

[MyFirst5.0]

Everybody complains about IATs now simply because they can see it on the dash. Never mind all the years that people have gone to the track and sat there in the pits waiting to run while IATs climbed. Now all of a sudden it's a big thing. Even with the stock box IATs will climb. Probably even more than with a CAI.

my stock box at idle sees 50-60 over ambient temp. and the stock box takes longer to cool off..my pmas will be here tomorrow so bit the bullet..at 300 its the cheapest of all the intakes anyway

 

[SpeedLu]

I've never seen anyone run better with the stock airbox on any car than with a CAI. In fact, most of my friends tend to run about .2 seconds faster after a CAI. Sometimes a bit faster when a tune is thrown in.

A tune is the most cost effective mod you can do to your car; a cold air intake isn't even on the same level. If your "friends" are just "sometimes a bit faster" after being tuned, then someone is ripping off all your friends with fake tunes. You don't pick up .2 seconds from a nontuned intake and then "sometimes a bit" more "when a tune is thrown in." That is the total opposite of what actually happens. You get substantial gains from your tune, not your CAI.

 

[4V Mayhem]

A tune is the most cost effective mod you can do to your car; a cold air intake isn't even on the same level. If your "friends" are just "sometimes a bit faster" after being tuned, then someone is ripping off all your friends with fake tunes. You don't pick up .2 seconds from a nontuned intake and then "sometimes a bit" more "when a tune is thrown in." That is the total opposite of what actually happens. You get substantial gains from your tune, not your CAI.

Or...you just choose to disagree with everything I say for whatever reason. I go to the track pretty often my friend. I see what people run there when their cars are stock. And I see what they run with minimal mods. And I see what they run with extensive mods. I go there and I walk around and I ask people what they've done to their cars and what the results were. I can't speak for you, but you can't sit here and tell me what I've seen either. And maybe you just wanna justify your own biased opinion that CAIs "don't do anything". If so then go ahead and remain in your own opinion. I don't really care what you choose to believe. But I've seen 2015 GTs out there with nothing more than a CAI and axleback or CAI and catback nontuned running 12.7s and even faster. Go out there and see for yourself.

 

[SpeedLu]

Or...you just choose to disagree with everything I say for whatever reason. I go to the track pretty often my friend. I see what people run there when their cars are stock. And I see what they run with minimal mods. And I see what they run with extensive mods. I go there and I walk around and I ask people what they've done to their cars and what the results were. I can't speak for you, but you can't sit here and tell me what I've seen either. And maybe you just wanna justify your own biased opinion that CAIs "don't do anything". If so then go ahead and remain in your own opinion. I don't really care what you choose to believe. But I've seen 2015 GTs out there with nothing more than a CAI and axleback or CAI and catback nontuned running 12.7s and even faster. Go out there and see for yourself.

Or you could step down from your cross and reread my post. I was talking about how your "friends" must apparently be loading their cars with shit tunes because that's the only way they would gain more from their cold air intakes than a tune. What you're alleging is nonsense.

 

[4V Mayhem]

Or you could step down from your cross and reread my post. I was talking about how your "friends" must apparently be loading their cars with shit tunes because that's the only way they would gain more from their cold air intakes than a tune. What you're alleging is nonsense.

Nah, you just wanna argue with someone. You have your opinion set in your mind and no matter what anyone says you're just gonna believe what you wanna believe anyway. I don't know what you're talking about with tunes because I'm talking about results from nontuned vehicles. And I'm not alleging anything. But feel free to think whatever you have in your head man. Nobody believes you anyway. And your following me around trying to get an argument going won't work. See, it doesn't matter what your personal beliefs are when everyone knows you're wrong. Good luck in your one-man war against CAIs.

 

[SpeedLu]

I don't know what you're talking about with tunes because I'm talking about results from nontuned vehicles.

You need to reread your own post and try that one again. You're taking this all way too personally.

 

[dev1360]

CAIs, and their defenders are living proof that placebo effect is very real, and very powerful.

 

[4V Mayhem]

You need to reread your own post and try that one again. You're taking this all way too personally.

There's nothing personal about it. I call it how I see it. And you seem to go out of your way to disagree with me every chance you get. Its cool. You got some personal war against intakes or something. I don't really know what your gripe is with them. But hey, that's your thing. If you wanna disagree with them, then be my guest. But don't sit here arguing with me about what I've seen and spoke with other people at the track about if you weren't there. You can try to rationalize it or formulate some reason that will allow you to disagree with it all you want. But if you weren't there homie, then you don't really know. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I mean, maybe you were there at the track I go to. Were you?

 

[SpeedLu]

There's nothing personal about it. I call it how I see it. And you seem to go out of your way to disagree with me every chance you get. Its cool. You got some personal war against intakes or something. I don't really know what your gripe is with them. But hey, that's your thing. If you wanna disagree with them, then be my guest. But don't sit here arguing with me about what I've seen and spoke with other people at the track about if you weren't there. You can try to rationalize it or formulate some reason that will allow you to disagree with it all you want. But if you weren't there homie, then you don't really know. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I mean, maybe you were there at the track I go to. Were you?

Calm down and stop babbling about personal wars; you are placing far too much importance on your imagined conflict with me. It only exists in your head.

Now, I'll reiterate what I said before: go back and reread the first post of yours that I quoted. I've already clarified for you exactly what I was talking about with regards to that post, but I'll do it again. Please pay attention this time.

If your "friends" are getting real tunes as you allege and only "sometimes" seeing gains from those tunes then your "friends" are getting ripped off by hundreds of dollars each. Tunes do not do nothing. You do not "sometimes" pick up "a bit" from a tune. Tunes are serious power gainers, CAI's are marginal by comparison. But, you're claiming the guys with intakes are running as fast as almost all the guys with tunes? What you're suggesting is like saying everyone at your track with a CAI has gained major power, but everyone with headers (aside from a few guys) have seen no gains at all. Tune > CAI man, it isn't rocket science.

 

[4V Mayhem]

Calm down and stop babbling about personal wars; you are placing far too much importance on your imagined conflict with me. It only exists in your head.

Now, I'll reiterate what I said before: go back and reread the first post of yours that I quoted. I've already clarified for you exactly what I was talking about with regards to that post, but I'll do it again. Please pay attention this time.

If your "friends" are getting real tunes as you allege and only "sometimes" seeing gains from those tunes then your "friends" are getting ripped off by hundreds of dollars each. Tunes do not do nothing. You do not "sometimes" pick up "a bit" from a tune. Tunes are serious power gainers, CAI's are marginal by comparison. But, you're claiming the guys with intakes are running as fast as almost all the guys with tunes? What you're suggesting is like saying everyone at your track with a CAI has gained major power, but everyone with headers (aside from a few guys) have seen no gains at all. Tune > CAI man, it isn't rocket science.

Its all in my head...right. How many insults did you throw at me back in that other CAI thread. Then you followed me to another thread and picked my comment to disagree with on that thread. And now here you are yet again disagreeing with me. I don't know what you're playing at here or what you're trying to accomplish. But you've got it stuck in your head and for some reason you seem to have something against those who disagree with you. Like I said, I'm calling it how I see it. It's easy to convince yourself of something. Try convincing everyone else to go against common knowledge. As it is, judging by how many CAIs I see at the track and how many stock intakes I NEVER see, I'd say the vast majority of people would disagree with you. But think what you want about tunes and CAIs and stock airboxes. Just note, that you're the one who keeps finding me and trying to start arguments with me.

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