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[Manders Mustang]

Think you need to read the post above mine the dealer will never tell Ford what's been cancelled as they will just sell them to someone else

If they can, yes, however some still will - Maybe K/S don't do it through fords list and do a whip around to dealers on a global mail adress list and just ask if any have been cancelled and they have a prospective buyer looking to pickup, dealer wont care who it's sold to as long as it's sold.

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[Eclipsar]

If they can, yes, however some still will - Maybe K/S don't do it through fords list and do a whip around to dealers on a global mail adress list and just ask if any have been cancelled and they have a prospective buyer looking to pickup, dealer wont care who it's sold to as long as it's sold.

Still think you will find the dealer keeping them as you are buying them at last years price and selling them at this year price and making even more money on the deal, bad business to through that away

 

[Manders Mustang]

Still think you will find the dealer keeping them as you are buying them at last years price and selling them at this year price and making even more money on the deal, bad business to through that away

Cancelled orders they'll sell at the markup as the price agreement contract only sits with the customer who bought it, and it only lasts 3 months (AFTER THE CAR IS DELIVERED). If the person in question wants to pay the £500 extra, to teoretically jump the queue a few months and get CO, then they have no quarms with whom buys it, and surely going back to ford allows ford to find them a buyer quicker.

 

[SteveS]

Andy Barratt said on Pistonheads (and I think on here too but can't find it) that the helpdesk could help match buyers to unsold dealer stock. Presumably they're cancelled order as the dealers weren't supposed to be allowed to order in vehicles for stock were they?

 

[Manders Mustang]

Andy Barratt said on Pistonheads (and I think on here too but can't find it) that the helpdesk could help match buyers to unsold dealer stock. Presumably they're cancelled order as the dealers weren't supposed to be allowed to order in vehicles for stock were they?

Only time they're allowed as stock is once the car arrived and if no other buyer has got it before it's arrived. Otherwise the aim is to stock cars to propsective buyers before they even reach the UK.

 

[deep south]

Cancelled orders they'll sell at the markup as the price agreement contract only sits with the customer who bought it, and it only lasts 3 months (AFTER THE CAR IS DELIVERED). If the person in question wants to pay the £500 extra, to teoretically jump the queue a few months and get CO, then they have no quarms with whom buys it, and surely going back to ford allows ford to find them a buyer quicker.

The Ford "price guarantee" is subtly different to that - it says:
Ford's Price Protection Plan means that the price you pay is the same as the price on your order as long as you are prepared to accept delivery within three months, and in any event, as soon as your vehicle is
available. Your Dealer has full details of the plan. Ford Motor Company Ltd is not liable for changes in price caused by Government changes in tax rates or changes in other applicable legislation.

This doesn't really apply for the mustang where it does take longer than three months for delivery - but the key phrase for us is: "in any event, as soon as your vehicle is available." - so those people asking to wait until March to collect may not actually be "price protected"... that would be an interesting conversation to have, but you wouldn't have a leg to stand on if the dealer insists on / wants to charge the current price of +£1500...

 

[Manders Mustang]

The Ford "price guarantee" is subtly different to that - it says:
Ford's Price Protection Plan means that the price you pay is the same as the price on your order as long as you are prepared to accept delivery within three months, and in any event, as soon as your vehicle is
available. Your Dealer has full details of the plan. Ford Motor Company Ltd is not liable for changes in price caused by Government changes in tax rates or changes in other applicable legislation.

This doesn't really apply for the mustang where it does take longer than three months for delivery - but the key phrase for us is: "in any event, as soon as your vehicle is available." - so those people asking to wait until March to collect may not actually be "price protected"... that would be an interesting conversation to have, but you wouldn't have a leg to stand on if the dealer insists on / wants to charge the current price of +£1500...

The leg to stand on for me would be, i'm sat here with £30,000 in cash, now, you can take it off me, or you can try and be a d1ck and squeeze £500 more out, and i'll walk out the dealership. Doubt they can sit and turn down £30k in cash, infront of them by trying to squeeze £500 more out (I bought at RRP 29995, not 30495), we'll see if they can walk away with then trying to resell and the hastle of finding someone to take that car off them for £500 more.

Also my dealer agreed that the price I paid is the price I will pay for the car, regardless of any price rises, and if the price did go down he'd honour that as well, i've got it in a written letter as well from him (and it's signed), so he can't really avoid that one with me, so I haven't got to worry.


As for the others, if i cancelled my order, they'd sell the car at the 30495RRP + Extra's on it. Not the 29995+extra's i bought it for. Which is fair for them, and fair for the new buyer. Hiking the price up is wrong to do to someone who's already bought as ford should honour the price it was 'bought' at.

 

[Eclipsar]

Cancelled orders they'll sell at the markup as the price agreement contract only sits with the customer who bought it, and it only lasts 3 months (AFTER THE CAR IS DELIVERED). If the person in question wants to pay the £500 extra, to teoretically jump the queue a few months and get CO, then they have no quarms with whom buys it, and surely going back to ford allows ford to find them a buyer quicker.

But they are not paying £500 extra, they are paying list and jumping the queue for free, as they can't buy it for last years price, no the dealer will have no quarms who buys it, these are multi branch companies with many salesmen and we are dealing with a product that is difficult to get, so will be a easy product to shift and there may be reason why you would not want Ford to know that you have cancelled orders in the 1st place

 

[Manders Mustang]

But they are not paying £500 extra, they are paying list and jumping the queue for free, as they can't buy it for last years price, no the dealer will have no quarms who buys it, these are multi branch companies with many salesmen and we are dealing with a product that is difficult to get, so will be a easy product to shift and there may be reason why you would not want Ford to know that you have cancelled orders in the 1st place

Fair point, fair point, well regardless, they can shift the cars, but should list them back onto ford so ford can source them a buyer.

 

[CJ01]

Still think you will find the dealer keeping them as you are buying them at last years price and selling them at this year price and making even more money on the deal, bad business to through that away

Anyone know for a fact that this is true (as opposed to just logical assumption) ? It is quite possible that the dealers sell at the price agreed when the customer contracted with the dealer but that the dealer has to buy from Ford UK at the price prevailing at the time when Ford deliver to the dealer.

That would be a crap deal admittedly but it won't be unheard of for a national brand to "abuse" its distribution network in this way.

Just wondered of anyone knows for a fact that a cancelled order means the dealer makes more money.

 

[Manders Mustang]

Anyone know for a fact that this is true (as opposed to just logical assumption) ? It is quite possible that the dealers sell at the price agreed when the customer contracted with the dealer but that the dealer has to buy from Ford UK at the price prevailing at the time when Ford deliver to the dealer.

That would be a crap deal admittedly but it won't be unheard of for a national brand to "abuse" its distribution network in this way.

Just wondered of anyone knows for a fact that a cancelled order means the dealer makes more money.

[MENTION=20606]j-rowe14[/MENTION] can you confirm being our resident dealer? (Resident dealer whos had cancelled orders!)

 

[Eclipsar]

Anyone know for a fact that this is true (as opposed to just logical assumption) ? It is quite possible that the dealers sell at the price agreed when the customer contracted with the dealer but that the dealer has to buy from Ford UK at the price prevailing at the time when Ford deliver to the dealer.

That would be a crap deal admittedly but it won't be unheard of for a national brand to "abuse" its distribution network in this way.

Just wondered of anyone knows for a fact that a cancelled order means the dealer makes more money.

I know for a fact, that a car ordered last year has been sold this year at the new price and I also know of three other cars which are available to buy with delivery in a few months, which are up for sale at today's prices and ordered before the price increase

 

[Manders Mustang]

I know for a fact, that a car ordered last year has been sold this year at the new price and I also know of three other cars which are available to buy with delivery in a few months, which are up for sale at today's prices and ordered before the price increase

Wouldn't surprise me.


I also think the mustang price had stayed the same for dealerships buying the car, just the customers the only one getting the price increase (Guess, no facts to back this up so take as you will!)

 

[CJ01]

I know for a fact, that a car ordered last year has been sold this year at the new price and I also know of three other cars which are available to buy with delivery in a few months, which are up for sale at today's prices and ordered before the price increase

Apologies, I know I am being a c**k here but it's more about the dealer arrangement. We all already know the arrangement between the consumer and the dealer. However, I've been as quick as anyone to criticise the dealers but I am just beginning to wonder whether that is fair. So the question is, dealer takes an order on say 31/01/2015. Car gets a price increase before delivery. Does the dealer pay the price (as between the dealer and Ford UK) prevailing at the time of the order or at the time of delivery ?


I suspect [MENTION=6713]Man[/MENTION]ders_Mustang is right and the only one on the forum who will know is [MENTION=20606]j-rowe14[/MENTION]

 

[Manders Mustang]

Apologies, I know I am being a c**k here but it's more about the dealer arrangement. We all already know the arrangement between the consumer and the dealer. However, I've been as quick as anyone to criticise the dealers but I am just beginning to wonder whether that is fair. So the question is, dealer takes an order on say 31/01/2015. Car gets a price increase before delivery. Does the dealer pay the price (as between the dealer and Ford UK) prevailing at the time of the order or at the time of delivery ?


I suspect @Manders_Mustang is right and the only one on the forum who will know is @j-rowe14

No underscore in my name, just a space matey.

James, Karen, Stacey, Andy will all know, I suspect James will be more leniant with telling us though.

I don't know how much the Dealer pays, nobody theoretically should, they make not the greatest profit on each car (mustang), but a sale is a sale and it adds to performance, sales, and sales value targets, (1 mustang = 3 fiesta's etc).
Dealers will sell at current list price, regardless of when car was ordered, or bought by ford, I assume ford also pay the price upon ordering that their car was, but can't confirm this, the same as i'd aslo assume ford dont increase the price dealerships will pay... but again, unconfirmed.

All speculation till James gets back to us

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