Mustang Down!

[hinch]

well i must say the rest of you freezing your arses off is amusing its 6 degree's here and no snow or ice, it rained for an hour this morning but thats it starting to dry up a little now just windy as hell thats all

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[croyde]

Was reading this as I was having my MPSS fitted to my rears and the snow started again. Thanks Gibbo.

I drove last winter as well and to be honest, any twitches have come from my input purposely being too rough.

Treat it like a 1000cc sports bike and you should be OK.

By the way I left the fitters with the back end feeling rock hard. They had stuck 38psi in the rears.

I've let them down to 32psi now.

 

[Gibbo205]

Was reading this as I was having my MPSS fitted to my rears and the snow started again. Thanks Gibbo.

I drove last winter as well and to be honest, any twitches have come from my input purposely being too rough.

Treat it like a 1000cc sports bike and you should be OK.

By the way I left the fitters with the back end feeling rock hard. They had stuck 38psi in the rears.

I've let them down to 32psi now.

No problem, but MPSS are absolutely hopeless in snow, so be warned. On the M3 at least they perform admirably well in the slush though, but I am putting that down to the better chassis in the M3 rather than the tyre.

 

[jasonlycett]

is the Pirelli that bad in the wet ? , Evo magazine tyres test said it was the best of the bunch including the Michelin PSS in last years tyre test which actually came last but one!


http://www.evo.co.uk/features/18309/the-best-tyres-2016-evo-tyre-test/page/0/1

 

[jasonlycett]

I Should add I haven't got my Mustang yet so I don't know, but I wonder how much is down to the standard suspension.

 

[Lone Survivor]

is the Pirelli that bad in the wet ? , Evo magazine tyres test said it was the best of the bunch including the Michelin PSS in last years tyre test which actually came last but one!


http://www.evo.co.uk/features/18309/the-best-tyres-2016-evo-tyre-test/page/0/1

As suspected, FWD!! Totally different for RWD, which they never test.

 

[Gibbo205]

is the Pirelli that bad in the wet ? , Evo magazine tyres test said it was the best of the bunch including the Michelin PSS in last years tyre test which actually came last but one!


http://www.evo.co.uk/features/18309/the-best-tyres-2016-evo-tyre-test/page/0/1

I no longer really take for granted what tyre test results show. I've had Pzero on three cars, M3, 911 and Mustang.

M3: It was not too bad, definetely less grip in all conditions but no sudden losses of grip or nervous feeling. But moving to MPSS resulting in a vast improvement in wet performance ability, was just able to go vastly quicker.

911: Car felt really nervous in the wet and twitchy, no doubt due to rear engine layout but there was OK level of communication and due to this could still make progress within reason. I then moved to PS2 which had much better subjective feedback so the nervous feeling was gone, but wet grip was no better but just had more confidence in the car. On track Pzero and PS2 both suffered from heat, each track day took 2-3mm out of them. I then moved to MPSS and they were incredible, huge feedback, grip increased in all conditions but really impressive aspect was track days took less than 1mm out of them, they really handle heat far better and they also switch on instantly which the Pzero suck at.

Mustang: In the wet, particular cold wet the car was just damn right un-predictable, grip and then nothing, they literally throw in the towel. Making them hopeless for 3-5 months of the year if you enjoy pushing your car even in wet conditions. In warmer wet conditions they were fine, there other weakness was they are actually quite a soft rubber (220 tread wear) so in the dry when hot they get rather spongy and squealy but do grip pretty well. But again MPSS just move the limits higher in all conditions and more importantly give far more subjective feedback so the car feels less nervous. MPSS also last a lot longer than pretty much any other tyre on the market as well, means they work out cheaper in long run.


The tyres help, they help more than any suspension work, though this car really needs suspension work, it is Ford's first attempt at IRS in a Mustang for a long time and though its quite a complex design it is clearly has some issues handling wise. It is just way to sloppy/floaty which means for those who do not have experience or are race drivers the car can get away from you very easily, in stock form it is simply not a forgiving car because the handling at best is average, a good driver will keep it on the black stuff and even make decent progress. But it needs work and then it improves a lot, but having moved from a Porsche, BMW it will never handle as well as those, what it does do well is grip like shit to a blanket in the dry so in the dry it does have great pace, but in the wet the car is numb and heavy hurting its progress unless your very handy behind the wheel.

End of the day you gotta remember your driving a big 1800kg RWD car. It is not a 1200kg FWD hatchback, so if you try to chuck it or are not smooth it will bite your ass no matter what tyres are on it.

 

[goldengooner]

Problem with all season tyres is that whatever the conditions it's always a compromise so always going to perform averagely. Not sure if you can get Michelin Cross Climate tyres to fit but they are supposedly a good all rounder.

Id prefer Ford to fit a good quality summer tyre such as PS4 (if they bring out tyre size to fit). Then if weather deteroriates either leave car at home or fit winter tyres. After all it is supposed to be a performance car, it's not a 4x4.

That white one, looks pretty bad
I have A/S P.Zero's on mine, and in the wet no issues, and that was normal mode doing 140mph
For this weather the snow/wet mode goes on, does make a big difference, when you hit the gas pedal.
for me the side roads are the worst and loads round Essex way

 

[Goosey]

A question for the masses, I am having a lock out kit and bushes plus steeda springs done at Modurstang next week, aiming to make it more planted. Currently I have had the car and done a few hundred miles only during our winter.
I am seeing too many posts of P Zeros being crap but of course any tyre is less effective in the winter. SO I was considering either
1 - Just binning them and going to MPSS or Michelin of some similar sort MPS3
2 - Getting a set of winter tyres and swapping back between P Zeros and winter as and when

I am tempted to go down route 1 but would I be better off basically bagging an extra set of tyres and using them both over time?

 

[marks]

Thanks for that Gibbo.

So in your opinion, assuming we can no longer get MPSS and PS4 won't be made in the Mustang sizes, what tyres would you go for that have similar properties to the MPSS and PS4? I.e one that is a top performer in the dry but not a disaster in the wet, don't really want an 'all rounder'.

I would have said maybe the PS3 but understand that PS4 is a evolution of MPSS, rather than PS3 - bit confusing!

 

[Goosey]

Thanks for that Gibbo.

So in your opinion, assuming we can no longer get MPSS and PS4 won't be made in the Mustang sizes, what tyres would you go for that have similar properties to the MPSS and PS4? I.e one that is a top performer in the dry but not a disaster in the wet, don't really want an 'all rounder'.

I would have said maybe the PS3 but understand that PS4 is a evolution of MPSS, rather than PS3 - bit confusing!

MPSS is available I think? Camskills and Openeo (if thats the name have them)

 

[marks]

Yep but by the time I get my car may not be, looking to have a contingency plan

 

[goldengooner]

You can see more of that here same crash here :doh:

He is no young raw kid
but you will always get that at car shows, from all makes of fast cars
As you pull out the crowds wait to hear the cars and film them, and a lot of people get carried away hit the pedal as they turn out and lose it
We all have ego's and these cars feed it, all the praise, we get for our cars, we love it
A few weeks back on the way to a business meeting in Cheltenham, we parked in a services for around 20mins. come out and this father with his son, got out a car and run over to us, as we were getting in the car.
Asked if he could see inside, then said as we pull out can i "give her a tickle" this was in a crowded services carpark. Seriously :frusty:

 

[Gibbo205]

Yep but by the time I get my car may not be, looking to have a contingency plan

Don't worry about it, wait until you got the car, good chance MPSS will be available and if not there might be some more tyre options on the market by then. But another superb performer is the new Continental Sport Contact 6 which might have more sizes in a few months, beats the MPSS in wet, is practically as good in the dry, more or less same on subjective feedback, only weaker on longevity.

I'd not worry, am sure MPSS will still be around and maybe some other just as good options by Summer in our sizes.

 

[Big_G]

Have to say touch wood my Uniroyal RainSport 3 have been brilliant so far. Slushy, icy, snowy mess this morning when i left the house, not a twitch from the tyres.

Was having a discussion at work earlier about the conditions as a 15 car pile up closed the A19 near me this morning, people in general are so blase about driving. They think they're indestructible and it wont happen to them. Very few people adjust their driving to the conditions, i was on a busy dual carriageway this morning, the outer lane was still covered in snow, inside fine. The amount of people that swung straight out into the outside lane and booted it was unreal, that's the sort of behavior that causes accidents.
Then there's the Mustang and going from FWD to RWD, nobody would even give that a thought because unless you were brought up before the very early 80's then most cars have been FWD. There's also a big difference between driving the GT in poor conditions & driving the Ecoboost so thats another variable, when you're shifting in the GT you can feel the weight transfer - for the few days i had one it was unsettling in poor conditions, Ecoboost has a better weight distribution so you don't get that.

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