more EV regret from the previously enchanted...

[gone_n_60]

and this guy has creds cause he's an actor (LOL) but still more of this is coming out the deeper gov't's and states want to charge ahead without considering the whole circuit of manufacture (and yes the puns are intended).


https://www.theguardian.com/comment...pter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson

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[Inthehighdesert]

He’s not wrong. Separately he has a spectacular record of wrecking some beautiful vehicles.

 

[gone_n_60]

I've noticed that it's the America car makers that seem to "going all in" and on huge ass vehicles with huge ass and heavy ass batteries. How many years of waste and how many unnecessary deaths from 9000Lbs+ EV collisions with sedans, sports cars (gasp Mustang), sub 5000lbs cars will go on before they see the light?

 

[RagmopInKona]

I've noticed that it's the America car makers that seem to "going all in" and on huge ass vehicles with huge ass and heavy ass batteries. How many years of waste and how many unnecessary deaths from 9000Lbs+ EV collisions with sedans, sports cars (gasp Mustang), sub 5000lbs cars will go on before they see the light?

The oem's need to build what the buyers want. Small vehicles have never done well here, even in the 70's gas problems.
You are not going to change this, it have to be regulated into being.
I'd love if they build a small light car like they did in the 80's early 90's with the 2ltr or less turbo engines or ev powered they be quick, but they never sell today, Most today buy using safety as #1 and small,light never does well in crash testing and worse in the real world.
I'd drive a geo metro sized car around town and back roads, but no way in hell would I daily one if I needed to take the highway in an area with traffic. They'd have to force phone os's to not work if the camera see's a dash board/pedals or fast movement out the glass, and blocking the camera lens bricked the phone if the gps "saw 3mph or more till uncovered. then I'd have less problems with driving a metro sized car on the highways.
Seen too many morons plow at full speed into a line of slow moving or stopped vehicles on the highway for this to be an option ATM.

 

[gone_n_60]

I put this in off topic because I don't want to distract Mustang threads when it's not needed. More fuel to the fire, recently reviews of accidents and fatalities involving Tesla Self Driving shows that the rate of occurrences have been underreported, Want to guess who might have wanted it that way? His initials might be Elon Musk. Before full bore EV usage we have people dying in accidents because they used flawed driving systems! anything run by software will have glitches, always. Also innocent drivers (non Tesla) now involved in accidents because Elon wants to "prove" this is okay? The DOT should have it banned until shown that the default actions are to take the car off the road slowly and safely. These newly reviewed accidents are not just auto only, a Tesla under Self Driving speeds past a stopped School bus with warning lights and Stop showing and runs over a 17 yr old. He lived but with serious lifetime damage to nerves and body. Holy shit! The car runs kids over!!

 

[Dharri21]

I put this in off topic because I don't want to distract Mustang threads when it's not needed. More fuel to the fire, recently reviews of accidents and fatalities involving Tesla Self Driving shows that the rate of occurrences have been underreported, Want to guess who might have wanted it that way? His initials might be Elon Musk. Before full bore EV usage we have people dying in accidents because they used flawed driving systems! anything run by software will have glitches, always. Also innocent drivers (non Tesla) now involved in accidents because Elon wants to "prove" this is okay? The DOT should have it banned until shown that the default actions are to take the car off the road slowly and safely. These newly reviewed accidents are not just auto only, a Tesla under Self Driving speeds past a stopped School bus with warning lights and Stop showing and runs over a 17 yr old. He lived but with serious lifetime damage to nerves and body. Holy shit! The car runs kids over!!

You do know that the accident rate of the self (sort of) driving cars is far below the bad driver accident rate. We had a guy fall asleep at the wheel years ago when I lived in SC and he went through a school bus stop and killed a few kids and injured about 11. Technology is going to progress and there will be some pain, but I am looking forward to some of the new technology.

I own about 20 mustangs in various packages and I love them all, but my F150 Lightning is extremely fast on launches and it is scary when it takes off from red lights. I have had it for about a year (so far 13,000 miles) and I love it. It loses about 30% range when towing a trailer with a GT500 behind it which would be about the same for a gas truck (maybe not a Diesel). It is just as fast towing as it is not towing.

Did you see the gas truck that caught fire and caused I-95 to fall in Philly?

 

[key01]

Meanwhile GM is rockin their hands free driving commercial 24/7. Clapping to we will rock you, smiling, and passing traffic all on its own. Hands free! Who needs Musk?

 

[Dharri21]

Have you seen the Ford commercial with the deaf kid and his mom.

 

[key01]

Have you seen the Ford commercial with the deaf kid and his mom.

I hadn’t seen it, but located it on YouTube. That’s a good one though.
it’s interesting my 9 year old Mercedes E 550 had hands free driving that was totally autonomous below 35. It would follow the car in front by accelerating and slowing while lane tracking. If the car ahead stopped it would also stop and once the car ahead moved out it would also move out. On my commutes to the city I read the paper and the car did all the work.

 

[K4fxd]

If the car ahead stopped it would also stop and once the car ahead moved out it would also move out.

So you are the a hole who tail gates and won't pass even when I slow way down.

 

[Gregs24]

I put this in off topic because I don't want to distract Mustang threads when it's not needed. More fuel to the fire, recently reviews of accidents and fatalities involving Tesla Self Driving shows that the rate of occurrences have been underreported, Want to guess who might have wanted it that way? His initials might be Elon Musk. Before full bore EV usage we have people dying in accidents because they used flawed driving systems! anything run by software will have glitches, always. Also innocent drivers (non Tesla) now involved in accidents because Elon wants to "prove" this is okay? The DOT should have it banned until shown that the default actions are to take the car off the road slowly and safely. These newly reviewed accidents are not just auto only, a Tesla under Self Driving speeds past a stopped School bus with warning lights and Stop showing and runs over a 17 yr old. He lived but with serious lifetime damage to nerves and body. Holy shit! The car runs kids over!!

Don't confuse self driving technology with EV's. They are two separate technologies.

Self driving technology is perfectly possible on ICE cars

 

[gone_n_60]

You do know that the accident rate of the self (sort of) driving cars is far below the bad driver accident rate. We had a guy fall asleep at the wheel years ago when I lived in SC and he went through a school bus stop and killed a few kids and injured about 11. Technology is going to progress and there will be some pain, but I am looking forward to some of the new technology.

I own about 20 mustangs in various packages and I love them all, but my F150 Lightning is extremely fast on launches and it is scary when it takes off from red lights. I have had it for about a year (so far 13,000 miles) and I love it. It loses about 30% range when towing a trailer with a GT500 behind it which would be about the same for a gas truck (maybe not a Diesel). It is just as fast towing as it is not towing.

Did you see the gas truck that caught fire and caused I-95 to fall in Philly?

first, you are living at some other level, which is perfectly great. on the self driving comparison its skewed, we have millions of drivers in the US the ratio to actual EV's that even have Self Driving? operating? very few so that doesn't stand up. The report I highlighted was a review of incidents per self driving on early reports vs. better data which showed the rate per self drive was more than first reported.

 

[gone_n_60]

Don't confuse self driving technology with EV's. They are two separate technologies.

Self driving technology is perfectly possible on ICE cars

I understand the tech isn't EV only. Elon Musk has charged large dollars to deliver this tech to Telsa owners so part of the post is about how much more dangerous it is when DOT has reviewed newer data. Add to that I've read other articles from writer/owners who said they never got the Self Driving they paid for, waiting for years and still not getting it. Being that Elon puts Telsa out there as a shining example (when they are not) it was interesting reading.

Self driving on any platform in it's current flawed state should not be allowed on our roads. It needs serious failsafe controls. We all encounter drivers about daily that really don't deserve the privilege of a license, SD makes it worse, imho.

 

[wingnutt]

I've noticed that it's the America car makers that seem to "going all in" and on huge ass vehicles with huge ass and heavy ass batteries. How many years of waste and how many unnecessary deaths from 9000Lbs+ EV collisions with sedans, sports cars (gasp Mustang), sub 5000lbs cars will go on before they see the light?

no dog in this fight…but let’s not blame the car manufacturers, the govt is REQUIRING it via the fleet CAFE standards, period.

 

[Gregs24]

no dog in this fight…but let’s not blame the car manufacturers, the govt is REQUIRING it via the fleet CAFE standards, period.

There is no reason for huge cars. The Mustang is seen as a big car here!

CAFE is easier to meet with smaller more efficient cars (ICE).

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