It's official now... GT350 and GT350R production ends this Fall

[dom418]

Oh, how the tables have turned :LOL:



We do know that the Mach 1 is a parts bin special, but a lot of those parts come from its Shelby counterpart. The engine, for me, isn’t a huge deal. I prefer the Coyote to the Voodoo solely for reliability’s sake. I don’t think making it a 5.2 would’ve been a good option, as it would have skyrocketed the price... 5.2L bore is bigger (3.66” vs 3.7”) and has longer stroke (3.65” vs 3.66”) and also doesn’t have ports for direct injection, so it would’ve required A LOT of work to make that happen. However, what they SHOULD have done was expand on that “parts pin special” and keep true to Mach 1 heritage by installing GT350 heads. The coyote can rev to 8250RPM maintaining the same piston speed as the GT350 as long as the valvetrain is able to support it, so with the GT350’s high flowing heads and upgraded valve springs combined with an 8000RPM redline, it not only would’ve made the Coyote a more enjoyable engine (just as enjoyable as a Voodoo without all the problems), but it would’ve helped it break the 500hp mark that so many wanted it to

Contrary to popular belief, the Coyote is FAR from maxed out

You make it sound like the coyote is bulletproof. Plenty of documented issues with that motor as well. To say that the voodoo is an inferior motor or unreliable is not an accurate statement. A 1% failure rate on a motor that complex and high strung is not bad.

Enjoy the Mach 1 but you are barking up the wrong tree preaching your message to a bunch of 350 owners.

I own both the voodoo and coyote. Voodoo provides a better driving experience every time.

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[cactus_kid]

Well stated dom418. Me feels jake "what's hiz face" is trying to justify the fact that he(she?) can't financially make the cut. If one notices his sig, jake is now driving a 2003 Escort. Down from an '18 GT Premium .................... Yeh, right !

 

[stanglife]

One last note - I've seen more years of cars come and go that I care to admit ;)....and 9/10 it's the technology that you notice that has aged before the car. The 350 has some basic in your face technology but IMO, nothing that's going to scream old when someone drives the car in 10 years. It's probably partially to due with budget and less with design but it does add to the feeling that the car is a little timeless at this point. The more digital dashes and gadgets that are added to cars, the quicker they age as new technology replaces it, IMO.

 

[jake_zx2]

You make it sound like the coyote is bulletproof. Plenty of documented issues with that motor as well. To say that the voodoo is an inferior motor or unreliable is not an accurate statement. A 1% failure rate on a motor that complex and high strung is not bad.

Enjoy the Mach 1 but you are barking up the wrong tree preaching your message to a bunch of 350 owners.

I own both the voodoo and coyote. Voodoo provides a better driving experience every time.

I’ve seen much more actual FAILURES from stock GT350 engines than I have from Coyotes. In fact, I’ve yet to see a total failure from a stock Coyote yet, just people who like to bitch and complain about a ticking noise. However, I’ve seen stock GT350s drop valves, melt pistons, and even catch on fire from standard track use... have yet to see that out of a Coyote

The Coyote is just the more durable engine. That flat plane crank has done Ford 0 favors

This whole financial argument makes no fucking sense. Stop being an elitist prick, it's unbecoming of a Mustang owner.

Exactly. I’ve explained twice why it’s completely inaccurate. If he’s too fucking dumb to comprehend that, it sounds like a personal problem

It is unbecoming of a Mustang owner, but totally in like with a Shelby owner, and a massive part of the reason why I never want to own anything with a snake badge... that little piece of metal must be really special, huh? :LOL:

 

[dom418]

One last note - I've seen more years of cars come and go that I care to admit ;)....and 9/10 it's the technology that you notice that has aged before the car. The 350 has some basic in your face technology but IMO, nothing that's going to scream old when someone drives the car in 10 years. It's probably partially to due with budget and less with design but it does add to the feeling that the car is a little timeless at this point. The more digital dashes and gadgets that are added to cars, the quicker they age as new technology replaces it, IMO.

I 100% agree with this. Take a look at the nav screen on an S197. As ugly as the interior is on the 03-04 Cobra, it’s simple, all analog, with zero tech and has aged well. The electronics on the new cars show their age very quickly. The S550 Nav and digital dash will do the same unfortunately.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

You make it sound like the coyote is bulletproof. Plenty of documented issues with that motor as well. To say that the voodoo is an inferior motor or unreliable is not an accurate statement. A 1% failure rate on a motor that complex and high strung is not bad.

Enjoy the Mach 1 but you are barking up the wrong tree preaching your message to a bunch of 350 owners.

I own both the voodoo and coyote. Voodoo provides a better driving experience every time.

Except the didn't quite say that, he said that he feels the Coyote is more reliable (I'd like to see actual normalized catastrophic failure rates), and he said __if__ X/Y/Z changes were made to the Coyote, including raising the redline to the same as the Voodoo, it would be "just as enjoyable", which clearly factors in some subjectivity, but also relates to the potential for failure as a positive attribute (the latter I'd agree with if, that's in fact, the case).

In fact, most of the post was complimentary to the GT350 design and experience (using its heads, targeting its redline), and in the past, I believe he's mentioned - along with me - it's a shame the Mach I didn't get the GT350 brakes - which are another fantastic bit of GT350 engineering.

*shrug*

 

[MaskedRacerX]

This has me intrigued. More than one new Mustang for the '21MY? I do hope the other one they're referring to isn't the Mach-E as there are very few passionate Mustang fans that will be excited by that!

Boss?

~500HP
Tremec
GT350 brakes
Everything else from the Mach I

**woot**

 

[stanglife]

It is unbecoming of a Mustang owner, but totally in like with a Shelby owner, and a massive part of the reason why I never want to own anything with a snake badge... that little piece of metal must be really special, huh? :LOL:

Interesting move there. Condemn someone for being elitist and at the same time categorize/stereotype all owners of a entire genre of cars. Sorry man, lost my vote... #truecolors

 

[jake_zx2]

Except the didn't quite say that, he said that he feels the Coyote is more reliable (I'd like to see actual normalized catastrophic failure rates), and he said __if__ X/Y/Z changes were made to the Coyote, including raising the redline to the same as the Voodoo, it would be "just as enjoyable", which clearly factors in some subjectivity, but also relates to the potential for failure as a positive attribute (the latter I'd agree with if, that's in fact, the case).

In fact, most of the post was complimentary to the GT350 design and experience (using its heads, targeting its redline), and in the past, I believe he's mentioned - along with me - it's a shame the Mach I didn't get the GT350 brakes - which are another fantastic bit of GT350 engineering.

*shrug*

Finally, someone gets it!

It’s not all “boo GT350” from me. I’m very grateful for the technological advancements that the GT350 made in its prime. My sole point is the GT350 having continued on for this long simultaneously led to it being less special against the rest of the Mustang lineup and kept the rest of the Mustang lineup from growing out of fear that it would surpass the far more expensive GT350. If the GT350 could’ve died off in 2018 like it should have, then maybe we WOULD have seen a 500+hp Mach 1 for S550, or a PP2 with all necessary track cooling to be a real 1LE competitor, and maybe Ford would’ve been able to price the GT500 more reasonably against its competitors if it didn’t have to create that price gap between the GT350 and GT500

GT350 was great, it just overstayed its welcome

Interesting move there. Condemn someone for being elitist and at the same time categorize/stereotype all owners of a entire genre of cars. Sorry man, lost my vote... #truecolors

I mean, take a look at this very thread. It’s VERY indicative of the way Shelby owners typically operate. All someone has to do is dislike their car and it turns into a pissing match of who’s more special and who has more money. If you don’t want that stereotype, then be the change you wish to see. I don’t see you telling anyone to stop the “you can’t afford it” elitist nonsense

 

[derklink]

I 100% agree with this. Take a look at the nav screen on an S197. As ugly as the interior is on the 03-04 Cobra, it’s simple, all analog, with zero tech and has aged well. The electronics on the new cars show their age very quickly. The S550 Nav and digital dash will do the same unfortunately.

Also agree with this. The analog vibe of the GT350 fits it perfectly. I was very close to buying one but decided not to, fully aware that I am missing out on a car that is already somewhat legendary. Was a tough decision but in the end, I had to be honest with myself: 1. I would probably never have tracked it. 2. the road conditions in my area are terrible. 3. I took a test drive for several hours. It barely made it up my driveway, had to be super careful and go extremely slow and know that would annoy me after a while. Felt a little exhausted when I returned it because it is so visceral (and fun!) and it is like the car is daring you to go fast all the time. May be getting too old for that, haha. 4. though engine failure rates seem to be only around 1%, a replacement out of warranty would be a lot of $. Ergo: Trying to buy a BULLITT right now. Thought about waiting for the Mach1 but I like the BULLITT design better and don't need coolers etc. Tremec would be nice in the BULLITT but oh well. Anyway, the GT350 is very special and congrats to all owners!

 

[stanglife]

Finally, someone gets it!

It’s not all “boo GT350” from me. I’m very grateful for the technological advancements that the GT350 made in its prime. My sole point is the GT350 having continued on for this long simultaneously led to it being less special against the rest of the Mustang lineup and kept the rest of the Mustang lineup from growing out of fear that it would surpass the far more expensive GT350. If the GT350 could’ve died off in 2018 like it should have, then maybe we WOULD have seen a 500+hp Mach 1 for S550, or a PP2 with all necessary track cooling to be a real 1LE competitor, and maybe Ford would’ve been able to price the GT500 more reasonably against its competitors if it didn’t have to create that price gap between the GT350 and GT500

GT350 was great, it just overstayed its welcome




I mean, take a look at this very thread. It’s VERY indicative of the way Shelby owners typically operate. All someone has to do is dislike their car and it turns into a pissing match of who’s more special and who has more money. If you don’t want that stereotype, then be the change you wish to see. I don’t see you telling anyone to stop the “you can’t afford it” elitist nonsense

And you doubled-down on it. Frame a group of people based on one or two people much? How about you do some introspection of your own, if you're able. I'm out.

 

[dom418]

Also agree with this. The analog vibe of the GT350 fits it perfectly. I was very close to buying one but decided not to, fully aware that I am missing out on a car that is already somewhat legendary. Was a tough decision but in the end, I had to be honest with myself: 1. I would probably never have tracked it. 2. the road conditions in my area are terrible. 3. I took a test drive for several hours. It barely made it up my driveway, had to be super careful and go extremely slow and know that would annoy me after a while. Felt a little exhausted when I returned it because it is so visceral (and fun!) and it is like the car is daring you to go fast all the time. May be getting too old for that, haha. 4. though engine failure rates seem to be only around 1%, a replacement out of warranty would be a lot of $. Ergo: Trying to buy a BULLITT right now. Thought about waiting for the Mach1 but I like the BULLITT design better and don't need coolers etc. Tremec would be nice in the BULLITT but oh well. Anyway, the GT350 is very special and congrats to all owners!

Have you considered a PP2? You can get them with analog gauges and they are a more livable as well. I opted for the digital dash since I already have the analog gauges in the Shelby, but I can see this aging very quickly over time. Aside from the sloppy gear box, I am enjoying mine.

 

[Gogoggansgo]

I’ve seen much more actual FAILURES from stock GT350 engines than I have from Coyotes. In fact, I’ve yet to see a total failure from a stock Coyote yet, just people who like to bitch and complain about a ticking noise. However, I’ve seen stock GT350s drop valves, melt pistons, and even catch on fire from standard track use... have yet to see that out of a Coyote

The Coyote is just the more durable engine. That flat plane crank has done Ford 0 favors



Exactly. I’ve explained twice why it’s completely inaccurate. If he’s too fucking dumb to comprehend that, it sounds like a personal problem

It is unbecoming of a Mustang owner, but totally in like with a Shelby owner, and a massive part of the reason why I never want to own anything with a snake badge... that little piece of metal must be really special, huh? :LOL:

If i was Ford i would throw in whatever next gen coyote engine that’s going to be in the s650 in the mach 1. Or at the very least give us a taste. They did this with the last mach 1 because when the 3 valve came out the last mach 1 was the benchmark

 

[Gogoggansgo]

Nobody has seen outside of Ford has seen under the hood of the mach 1. And i don’t think that was a mistake, i wouldn’t be suprised if they are going to fart with the engine more because boy is the community not happy with it and rightfully so it’s lazy. And as others have said honestly i would of just taken the energy to CNC machine the heads. And call it a day at 500-510hp, remember keep it gEN 3 coyote based as well. We know the bullitt is underrated we also know the intake manifold is the same part as the bullitt. What we don’t know is the throttle body and cold air intake. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ford comes out and goes it has 500hp now lol acting like they did something

i just wish they would give the s550 a real N/A send off because the s650 will not have the same mentality at all

 

[Gogoggansgo]

Boss?

~500HP
Tremec
GT350 brakes
Everything else from the Mach I

**woot**

The boss 302 was a project by the mustang team not frpp “at that time Ford racing” the bullitt is the same way, Ford has cut the mustang teams budget big time a few years back. So i wouldn’t be expecting a huge out of nowhere model to show up

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