Installed a Bama tune today

[15Black3.7]

Yes it is worth it to get it right. Just because a tune "feels" right does not make it 100% right nor does that translate into a better 1/4 mile or trap. I prefer a datalogged tune over a canned 1 size fits all tune. Any good tuner should at least do free lifetime naturally aspirated updates and not charge you 20 bucks just to look over it and say "nothing is wrong". Also keep in mind most "research" is subjective vs objective and revolves around 1-few person(s) experience which is not an accurate comparison. As far as 1/4 mile times + traps I'm not seeing anything MPT puts out as being "superior" to anything from Unleashed, Bama, Etc. just mostly pure opinion and hearsay. For example, I don't care about BAMA myself (and probably won't be using their tune) but there was still an S197 3.7 that ran healthy 13 flats on tune only with a BAMA tune + econo street tires so they must work decently when dialed in. Tuning = datalogging and re-datalogging. No two vehicles are the same. Repeating "They know their 3.7s" doesn't cut it.

Who charges $20 to look over a datalog? I know mpt charges $20 for tune updates but that's not for minor adjustments or changes. Plus if you take a look at the some of the fastest s197 3.7s, they're tuned by mpt. Best tuner for the 3.7 hands down. I have to say unleashed is also a good tuner but the torque and drivability throughout the rpm range is better with mpt. Words right out of my good friends mouth.

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[whatdoyoufeedit?]

Who charges $20 to look over a datalog? I know mpt charges $20 for tune updates but that's not for minor adjustments or changes. Plus if you take a look at the some of the fastest s197 3.7s, they're tuned by mpt. Best tuner for the 3.7 hands down. I have to say unleashed is also a good tuner but the torque and drivability throughout the rpm range is better with mpt. Words right out of my good friends mouth.

MPT charges $20 dollars to look at a datalog. I've already spoken to another member who has since who paid $20 dollars for them to say "nothing is wrong" after it was falling off in top end and causing driveability issues (which all went away with a dyno tune). You still have to pay for updates after 6 months. It is what it is. Good tuners told me "as long you stay N/A and not go FI the updates should be free for life and you should never pay for n/a updates". This means something as small as changing a CAI or something as big as going with high compression with upgraded cams. IIRC the OP has already tried MPT in the past with unsatisfactory results, why would he try them again? At least give Bama a chance to make it right and if not he can take his business elsewhere rather than constantly plugging MPT's products. Where is MPT in the 2.3/5.0 community? I'd imagine if they were that good, they would be putting all of the big names out of business.

 

[15Black3.7]

Mpt most certainly does not charge $20 for a datalog. They charge $20 for tune updates for mods like going catless, ported manifolds etc. And it's completely worth it to pay for updates with a far superior tune. Never would I put a bama tune on my car with their shitty track record of blowing engines, drivability issues, shitty customer service and garbage tunes in general. Just my personal opinion though. Also mpt generally works in the 3.7 and ecoboost f150 community but I've seen them tune 5.0s as well as ecoboost swaps, nitrous, e85, supercharged, or any mix you can think of. There are very few people who have ever had a bad experience with mpt or their tuning. Top notch customer service, top notch tuning, and the heavy hitters in the 3.7 community definitely can back up the fact that their tuning is the only way to go. I mean 225 shot mid 10 second cars on stock bottom end with e85, procharged cars putting out 500rwhp, naturally aspirated race builds running low 12s. But if bama is what the op wants then I won't be the one to tell him differently.

 

[whatdoyoufeedit?]

Mpt most certainly does not charge $20 for a datalog. They charge $20 for tune updates for mods like going catless, ported manifolds etc. And it's completely worth it to pay for updates with a far superior tune. Never would I put a bama tune on my car with their shitty track record of blowing engines, drivability issues, shitty customer service and garbage tunes in general. Just my personal opinion though. Also mpt generally works in the 3.7 and ecoboost f150 community but I've seen them tune 5.0s as well as ecoboost swaps, nitrous, e85, supercharged, or any mix you can think of. There are very few people who have ever had a bad experience with mpt or their tuning. Top notch customer service, top notch tuning, and the heavy hitters in the 3.7 community definitely can back up the fact that their tuning is the only way to go. I mean 225 shot mid 10 second cars on stock bottom end with e85, procharged cars putting out 500rwhp, naturally aspirated race builds running low 12s. But if bama is what the op wants then I won't be the one to tell him differently.

That's all well and nice but I have heard plenty of 3.5 EB complaints from MPT as well such as turning up knock sensor thresholds etc. Also they seem to be hit or miss here. This is my dependable daily and not a 500whp drag car and the results I'm seeing here besides a small handful for general use has been a mix of good and unsatisfactory. These cars that have been having issues are just mild bolt-on vehicles not an insane FI or high compression build. I am also trapping higher (101.24MPH) than a lot of MPT tuned cars here on 87oct which leads me to believe their tuning is hit or miss (which is what I expect of a canned tune).

 

[15Black3.7]

Lol canned tune...if anyone is canned it's bama. Mpt has bent over backwards for me to get my tunes perfect. Now we're working on a flex fuel tune so I can switch between e85 and 93 whenever I please. I believe it will be the first on the 3.7. And when I go nitrous, I'll be dyno tuning at their facility, which by the way numerous times people have shown that mpt has been within say 5 hp of a dyno tune so clearly they're doing something right. And I've never once heard about mpt messing with knock sensor thresholds. I've heard of bama turning knock sensors off, blowing engines, having horrible shifting in the autos, cylinder 8 issues on the 5.0, blown 3.7s, just numerous issues with them but nothing but good about mpt. Every company will have occasional bad reviews but the constant disappointment with bama is enough to keep the majority of 3.7 owners away from their sorry tuning. It's your car, run whatever tune you'd like to run man. No need to continue arguing over something as silly as this

 

[whatdoyoufeedit?]

Lol canned tune...if anyone is canned it's bama. Mpt has bent over backwards for me to get my tunes perfect. Now we're working on a flex fuel tune so I can switch between e85 and 93 whenever I please. I believe it will be the first on the 3.7. And when I go nitrous, I'll be dyno tuning at their facility, which by the way numerous times people have shown that mpt has been within say 5 hp of a dyno tune so clearly they're doing something right. And I've never once heard about mpt messing with knock sensor thresholds. I've heard of bama turning knock sensors off, blowing engines, having horrible shifting in the autos, cylinder 8 issues on the 5.0, blown 3.7s, just numerous issues with them but nothing but good about mpt. Every company will have occasional bad reviews but the constant disappointment with bama is enough to keep the majority of 3.7 owners away from their sorry tuning. It's your car, run whatever tune you'd like to run man. No need to continue arguing over something as silly as this

http://socaldiablo.com/forum/index.php?topic=3039.0

You quoted me with a question and I responded. John Bushbaum from PTP Performance/ Tork Motorports used to use his audience to say that line to constantly plug his products. Local owners always had great results and remote owners had mixed results. Let's see higher trap speeds and most importantly consistency and safety in the real world then we'll talk. It is what it is, they are no better/worse than any other tuner. Constantly repeating "straight from your good friends mouth" does not make company X any more reputable than company Y. We get it, you don't like Bama (neither do I) but knock it off with the advertisements in a Bama thread, this sounds like an infomercial.

Also no records without power adders hmm..

 

[austinhegland]

I had some of the same problems with the Bama 87 and 91 tunes. The first tunes would downshift into 1st at 25 mph. I got it revised and it put the car into 6th gear at 45 mph. The 3rd revision was worse than the first somehow and was not smooth whatsoever. I finally got my 4th revision and its great. I just called Bama and told them I want the shifts to be around 1800 and to lower the torque settings because of the downshifting problems and now I couldn't be happier. Tell them what you want before spending more money.

 

[free]

Lol canned tune...if anyone is canned it's bama. Mpt has bent over backwards for me to get my tunes perfect. Now we're working on a flex fuel tune so I can switch between e85 and 93 whenever I please. I believe it will be the first on the 3.7. And when I go nitrous, I'll be dyno tuning at their facility, which by the way numerous times people have shown that mpt has been within say 5 hp of a dyno tune so clearly they're doing something right. And I've never once heard about mpt messing with knock sensor thresholds. I've heard of bama turning knock sensors off, blowing engines, having horrible shifting in the autos, cylinder 8 issues on the 5.0, blown 3.7s, just numerous issues with them but nothing but good about mpt. Every company will have occasional bad reviews but the constant disappointment with bama is enough to keep the majority of 3.7 owners away from their sorry tuning. It's your car, run whatever tune you'd like to run man. No need to continue arguing over something as silly as this

Unrelated but how is that flex fuel tune coming? Is it going to be like the Lund tune for GTs where all you need is the tune? Or will you need a new fuel pump/ lines etc.

 

[15Black3.7]

Unrelated but how is that flex fuel tune coming? Is it going to be like the Lund tune for GTs where all you need is the tune? Or will you need a new fuel pump/ lines etc.

Haven't datalogged it yet because I haven't had the time and my sct x4 8: fucking up for some reason. Mpt recommends to stay under a 50/50 mix of e85 to 93 becaue of fuel system. But yes you'll be able to switch between 93 and e85 without switching tunes

 

[free]

Haven't datalogged it yet because I haven't had the time and my sct x4 8: fucking up for some reason. Mpt recommends to stay under a 50/50 mix of e85 to 93 becaue of fuel system. But yes you'll be able to switch between 93 and e85 without switching tunes

I see, and any chance you have any info about a ghost cam tune for our 3.7s?

 

[D BERRY]

I had some of the same problems with the Bama 87 and 91 tunes. The first tunes would downshift into 1st at 25 mph. I got it revised and it put the car into 6th gear at 45 mph. The 3rd revision was worse than the first somehow and was not smooth whatsoever. I finally got my 4th revision and its great. I just called Bama and told them I want the shifts to be around 1800 and to lower the torque settings because of the downshifting problems and now I couldn't be happier. Tell them what you want before spending more money.

I'm on my second tune now, maybe I should ask them to go ahead and skip the third tune and go ahead and send me my fourth one now. I tried my second tune yesterday afternoon and while it still runs good the trans shifting sucks. The WOT shifts feel OK now but shift points suck. How hard can it be to get the transmission to shift at the same RPM from first to second at WOT every time?:frusty: Ran it through low from a roll three times and it shifted from low to second 7300, 6600, and 6800 RPMs respectively. It continues to over rev in low gear but this is the first time it didn't go out on the limiter. I did run all the way out through the fourth gear shift once and it shifted 6600, 6200, and 6000 respectively. Should I really have to specify that I want it to shift at the same RPM at WOT in each gear, every time, and short of the rev limiter?? I returned it to stock and at WOT it shifts at 6700 every time, so I'm sure can be done.

 

[austinhegland]

I'm on my second tune now, maybe I should ask them to go ahead and skip the third tune and go ahead and send me my fourth one now. I tried my second tune yesterday afternoon and while it still runs good the trans shifting sucks. The WOT shifts feel OK now but shift points suck. How hard can it be to get the transmission to shift at the same RPM from first to second at WOT every time?:frusty: Ran it through low from a roll three times and it shifted from low to second 7300, 6600, and 6800 RPMs respectively. It continues to over rev in low gear but this is the first time it didn't go out on the limiter. I did run all the way out through the fourth gear shift once and it shifted 6600, 6200, and 6000 respectively. Should I really have to specify that I want it to shift at the same RPM at WOT in each gear, every time, and short of the rev limiter?? I returned it to stock and at WOT it shifts at 6700 every time, so I'm sure can be done.

Interesting. I would've figured that the shifts would have to somewhere consistent and close. I'm curious to see where my car shifts at WOT- I haven't actually payed any attention to it. But it seems like only Bama has this problem. I would call them today and give them specific shift points and tell them about the inconsistencies at WOT hopefully they can send you a revision today. Bama makes good power but I was really disappointed in needing 4 tunes to fix my transmission issues.

 

[ChiTownStang26]

I've never had a shifting problem with my tune probably cause it's a manual transmission lol but have you guys dataloged yet? I've done everything but a step test since I can't find a long enough road in chicago to do it. Anyone that has sent bama a datalog know if they absolutely need the step test, or are the other tests sufficient enough for them to customize the tune? Any tips on how you did the step test would be great lol

 

[D BERRY]

Interesting. I would've figured that the shifts would have to somewhere consistent and close. I'm curious to see where my car shifts at WOT- I haven't actually payed any attention to it. But it seems like only Bama has this problem. I would call them today and give them specific shift points and tell them about the inconsistencies at WOT hopefully they can send you a revision today. Bama makes good power but I was really disappointed in needing 4 tunes to fix my transmission issues.

Well I loaded my third tune today and it seems like they have the WOT shifts dialed in now, but the downshifts are still very harsh. It's like pumping the brakes on the 3/2 and 2/1 downshifts, the line pressure is to high. Can they set the shift pressure at different levels for upshifts and downshifts? And still downshifting at 25, 35, and 45 all the normal in town speed limits, so I'm always shifting up and down a lot. Car seems a little slower now too, but that may be cause I'm getting used to it. I'm going to load the race tune tomorrow before I call them and see if it's the same.:frusty::frusty:

 

[fordguys550]

should have skipped bama tunes 1-4 and just got the MPT. I tried the bama and it sucked. MPT rocks. I also tried the unleashed, it was decent, but the mpt is all around better

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