I hope not - Autoweek: next generation is last ICE Mustang

[EFI]

Once cheaper EVs come to market (might take years) people will be all over them.

Until electricity rates inevitably skyrocket, as some have even begun doing and will continue to.

With 10c per kwh now it's easy to make the financial argument for EVs. But that is not going to be the case in the future. For one demand going up means prices go up, and who do you think is going to pay for the massive infrastructure needed to support all these EVs? It sure as heck won't be the government or major electric suppliers or companies.

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[MidwayJ]

We've known for a long time now that the S650 Mustang would be the last standing purely ICE pony car, and the coming generation (at the very least, its first few years) will be exactly that: the last standing purely ICE pony car.

Agree, but there is a revelation from this article. It was previously reported the S650 would get an 8 year run. This says the Mustang will be replaced by an EV in half the time.

 

[Mspider]

Until electricity rates inevitably skyrocket, as some have even begun doing and will continue to.

With 10c per kwh now it's easy to make the financial argument for EVs. But that is not going to be the case in the future. For one demand going up means prices go up, and who do you think is going to pay for the massive infrastructure needed to support all these EVs? It sure as heck won't be the government or major electric suppliers or companies.

You gotta remember we are not moving to electric because its cheaper. I fully expect it might cost the same amount or more to charge your car with electricity one day. We are moving to electric for environment reasons only.

 

[Konamoth]

Agree, but there is a revelation from this article. It was previously reported the S650 would get an 8 year run. This says the Mustang will be replaced by an EV in half the time.

That it does. It also states the S650 will be on the CD6 platform. Which it is very much not.

Whether it's a four year or eight year run, the S650 should still stand as the last fuel sipping pony one could buy. Unless Dodge or Chevy pony up with V8 powered challengers or camaros.

I am so sorry for that pun.

 

[EFI]

You gotta remember we are not moving to electric because its cheaper.

Well it's not that much "greener' if at all then ICE that's for sure, so what's the real reason? Quieter and quicker? It might be quiet(er) but a cheap eco EV is not going to be quick.

It's going to be a tough sell to ask the average Joe Schmoe to plop down all this money for an EV when electricity rates rise.

 

[Mspider]

Well it's not that much "greener' if at all then ICE that's for sure, so what's the real reason? Quieter and quicker? It might be quiet(er) but a cheap eco EV is not going to be quick.

It's going to be a tough sell to ask the average Joe Schmoe to plop down all this money for an EV when electricity rates rise.

in 2022 you are correct, 2030, 2040,2050 maybe it will be different. What I can tell you is that in 100 years the world will not be running on the remains of dead plants and animals from millions of years ago.

 

[EFI]

What I can tell you is that in 100 years the world will not be running on the remains of dead plants and animals from millions of years ago.

The vehicles they drive won't, but what do you think will churn out all the electricity needed to 100% move from any type of fossil fuel? It can't be natural gas or coal, so unless everyone gets on board with nuclear for 100% of the power it won't be be wind turbines or solar either.

So what's going to power everything?

 

[MidwayJ]

That it does. It also states the S650 will be on the CD6 platform. Which it is very much not.

Whether it's a four year or eight year run, the S650 should still stand as the last fuel sipping pony one could buy. Unless Dodge or Chevy pony up with V8 powered challengers or camaros.

I am so sorry for that pun.

I'm aware of the inaccurate CD6 platform statement. Dodge and Chevy will not be, ahem, producing V8 powered Camaros or Challengers after 2023.

 

[Bikeman315]

That it does. It also states the S650 will be on the CD6 platform. Which it is very much not.

Whether it's a four year or eight year run, the S650 should still stand as the last fuel sipping pony one could buy. Unless Dodge or Chevy pony up with V8 powered challengers or camaros.

I am so sorry for that pun.

Fixed!

 

[Cobra Jet]

Until electricity rates inevitably skyrocket, as some have even begun doing and will continue to.

With 10c per kwh now it's easy to make the financial argument for EVs. But that is not going to be the case in the future. For one demand going up means prices go up, and who do you think is going to pay for the massive infrastructure needed to support all these EVs? It sure as heck won't be the government or major electric suppliers or companies.

^^^^ This all day long....

No one sees the big picture with EV's, it's all smoke being blown up everyone's ass at how "EV's are greener, it's the future, etc"....

It's NOT and won't be "better". Mining of materials needed for mass EV use is more damaging to the earth than the last 100+ years of ICE.

Is anyone going to want to buy a used EV where it's battery use is 60-85% depleted? And who's going to cough up $8-$10k for a battery replacement for a used EV?

You're going to see EVs dumped everywhere and be as disposable as your weed whacker that the battery pack just crapped out on. Would you spend $100 for a replacement weed whacker battery pack when you can get brand new ones for $100? F-no.

An EV is not as practical as any ICE vehicle OR ICE equipped devices used for every day transportation and necessary jobs. Can you picture landscapers having to stop jobs midway because they are trying to juice up various battery packs for their "commercial" lawnmowers, etc?

Can you imagine you're running late for work and forgot to charge your EV so now you're having to wait another 20, 30, 60 mins for a complete charge?

What about not being able to find an EV charging station when on long trips?

What about when a huge storm comes rolling through and knocks out power or totally destroys these above ground charging depots and stations? You're SOL folks...

I mean c'mon already, open your eyes out there... EV isn't a practical replacement for ICE.

 

[Konamoth]

Until electricity rates inevitably skyrocket, as some have even begun doing and will continue to.

With 10c per kwh now it's easy to make the financial argument for EVs. But that is not going to be the case in the future. For one demand going up means prices go up, and who do you think is going to pay for the massive infrastructure needed to support all these EVs? It sure as heck won't be the government or major electric suppliers or companies.

Right you are—we'll be paying for it. Just as the government and major gasoline suppliers or companies don't pay for your gasoline right now, they won't pay for your electricity in the future. Well maybe they will, but that's an awfully large and unrealistic stride towards some idyllic utopia.

Well it's not that much "greener' if at all then ICE that's for sure, so what's the real reason? Quieter and quicker? It might be quiet(er) but a cheap eco EV is not going to be quick.

It's going to be a tough sell to ask the average Joe Schmoe to plop down all this money for an EV when electricity rates rise.

If we're talking theoreticals, it's an equally tough sell to ask the average Joe Schmoe to plop down all his money on a new ICE car right now, when gas prices are at record highs and still climbing in some places.

 

[Mspider]

The vehicles they drive won't, but what do you think will churn out all the electricity needed to 100% move from any type of fossil fuel? It can't be natural gas or coal, so unless everyone gets on board with nuclear for 100% of the power it won't be be wind turbines or solar either.

So what's going to power everything?

It will be something that has yet to be invented, discovered or created. Yea I know that sounds kind of stupid and ignorant thing to say. Human beings use the word "impossible" far to often. 100 years ago people would say a lot of things we have today were impossible. just sayin

Gas/oil will probably still be around in certain applications.

 

[EFI]

it's an equally tough sell to ask the average Joe Schmoe to plop down all his money on a new ICE car right now, when gas prices are at record highs and still climbing in some places.

It sure is. But then how are we going to convert everyone to EVs when it won't be any cheaper and any greener (until that magical new invention happens)?

It's like choosing between two evils.

 

[Bikeman315]

^^^^ This all day long....

No one sees the big picture with EV's, it's all smoke being blown up everyone's ass at how "EV's are greener, it's the future, etc"....

It's NOT and won't be "better". Mining of materials needed for mass EV use is more damaging to the earth than the last 100+ years of ICE.

Is anyone going to want to buy a used EV where it's battery use is 60-85% depleted? And who's going to cough up $8-$10k for a battery replacement for a used EV?

You're going to see EVs dumped everywhere and be as disposable as your weed whacker that the battery pack just crapped out on. Would you spend $100 for a replacement weed whacker battery pack when you can get brand new ones for $100? F-no.

An EV is not as practical as any ICE vehicle OR ICE equipped devices used for every day transportation and necessary jobs. Can you picture landscapers having to stop jobs midway because they are trying to juice up various battery packs for their "commercial" lawnmowers, etc?

Can you imagine you're running late for work and forgot to charge your EV so now you're having to wait another 20, 30, 60 mins for a complete charge?

What about not being able to find an EV charging station when on long trips?

What about when a huge storm comes rolling through and knocks out power or totally destroys these above ground charging depots and stations? You're SOL folks...

I mean c'mon already, open your eyes out there... EV isn't a practical replacement for ICE.

Sorry CJ, but the only folks with their eyes closed are those of you who are constantly beating the dead horse of EV bad, ICE good. Just look around you. More and more EV's every day. Range increasing, charging times down, more chargers available. More HP than anyone will ever need/want. Handling improving by the day. You and yours just do not want to see it.

Are there still hurdles to overcome? Well of course, this part of the industry is still in its infancy. Look what has been accomplished in the last ten years. Just image where we will be in 2032. But, for course, to do this you need to open your eyes.

 

[KeyLime]

I remember the first flat panel TV...$22,000 in today's dollars. The time when computer memory chips were fetching $100 per megabyte.

Demand driven innovation pushed the prices down. It's hard to predict where EV prices will be in 20 or 30 years. But I think we've squeezed all the easy innovation out of ICE and petroleum production.

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