How are your tyres now its summer?

[Gibbo205]

Photoshop.

Actually photo is un-edited taken with my iphone. Have some SLR shots will shall of course be edited.

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[Maoilearca]

Actually photo is un-edited taken with my iphone. Have some SLR shots will shall of course be edited.

Well then, I hope you used a good brand of wax before she started to buff your bonnet. Poorboy's Black Hole Glaze perhaps?

 

[Gibbo205]

Sorry if I've got under your skin, but I'm not taking this lying down
You're the one that's always telling everyone else what they should and shouldn't be doing to their cars.
Go back and read some of you're posts dude.....just yesterday you were trying to talk a new member out of SCing their car.

So to clarify
I never said that the Pzeroz were better than the michelins......I never said they last longer....

To refresh your memory, I said there's "Nowt wrong with them, and I'd done just over 4K on them"
In other words I'm happy with them hence I've bought a new set... The thread is titled "how are your tyres now it's summer" I was giving my opinion.

I would NEVER presume to tell anyone else what to do with their cars or money.
I'm happy to explain what I've done, and happy to give an honest review of the results. which is exactly what I've done here.....I'm happy to accept that there are other opinions and views...

For the record... wet grip on the Pirellis is A and on the michelins it's B

I normally can't be arse to get into forum spats, and I try to off helpful advice, and a bit of banter..... But on this occasion, im going to defend myself.

And I will most definetely not take it lying down either.

So I tried to talk someone out of supercharging their car? Nope I told him another option as he mentioned he was interested in track driving, which calls for a more balanced car, less weight, track driving is more about corners and braking, rather than outright power. Are you gonna to try and suggest this is wrong, because then you will just look silly buddy.

I merely gave him another far cheaper option to consider that should give better reliability, I guess it depends on his driving style, if he prefers straight line speed and taking it easy in the corners (safer as less likely to lose it) then SC all the way, but judging by his car I get the impression he likes cornering, considering his KW's and Brakes.

Wet grip on Michelins in the sizes required for Mustang fitment is A. They are only rated B in the Ferrari fitment. Those who are fitting larger wheels Michelin recommend the N-spec tyre which is also A. When I asked Michelin representative should I fit N-spec (Porsche) or K1/K2 Ferrari because that is all that is available they clearly advice me to use N-spec as the compound is same as regular none approved compound, which is rated A for wet.

So your wrong on the tyre, yours are B because you went against Michelins own advice by fitting the Ferrari fitment tyre which is indeed rated B, I'd recommend anyone to follow Michelins advice and only fit the regular tyre or if not available N-spec.

Like you I am still surviving on the Pzero, but I can advice others that the Pzero is very poor until upto temperature which in cold wet conditions (winter) is very hard to do. I had the exact same issue with Pzero and Pirelli Corsa on my 911 on track use, they were nervous and un-confident inspiring on the road, particular in wet, but on track when upto temperature they performed well.

Michelin PS2 and MPSS simply are far easier to turn on, they work from cold, a bit like certain performance brake pads work fine from cold, whereas others are not so great, it is similar for tyres. Then when it comes to wet performance the tyre guidelines such as A, B, C etc or just a guideline that have being tested in set ideal conditions (upto temp, 20c day etc). In the real world the Pzero is average at best in the wet, whereas MPSS are extremely good in the wet and the CSC6 is an absolute superstar in the wet and even better they outperform the Pzero in the dry too.

If you do not believe me, check tyre review group test and where CSC6 and MPSS are included they always rank higher than Pzero, but for me it is feedback on great forums like this that counts from members who own the same car who have changed the Pzero's and were then shocked at the transformation, the extra confidence they had, the extra grip particular in wet. I am not alone the MPSS is in a different league to Pzero tyre.

I won't back down on such a subject because when MPSS cost just a few quid more and they last around twice as long and perform so much better in the wet they save other forum members money and even better they are less likely to have a miss-hap in the wet on the MPSS.

 

[Gibbo205]

Well then, I hope you used a good brand of wax before she started to buff your bonnet. Poorboy's Black Hole Glaze perhaps?

No idea, I leave that to Autobrite who professional wax the car every six months and can polish out her greasy finger prints.

 

[Enoch]

Like I said.... I'm not going to get into a spat with someone whose opinion means nothing to me.... So this is my last post on the subject

I repeat that unlike you, I never advised anyone on anything......I gave my own opinion based on my experience... On a thread asking about the Pirellis.

For the record the new sizes of Pirelli I've ordered for my new wheels are rated A in the wet.......the equivalent michelins are rated B....

Price difference between the 2 sets was almost £400. I bought what I wanted based on my own experience, judgment and budget, I'm happy with my decision.

For anyone interested... 275/35-19 Fronts & 295/35-19 Rears.. Just need my wheels now...

 

[SteveS]

Just need my wheels now...

Which I for one am looking forward to seeing ;)
Can we agree the Pirelli calendar is better?

 

[Gibbo205]

Like I said.... I'm not going to get into a spat with someone whose opinion means nothing to me.... So this is my last post on the subject

I repeat that unlike you, I never advised anyone on anything......I gave my own opinion based on my experience... On a thread asking about the Pirellis.

For the record the new sizes of Pirelli I've ordered for my new wheels are rated A in the wet.......the equivalent michelins are rated B....

Price difference between the 2 sets was almost £400. I bought what I wanted based on my own experience, judgment and budget, I'm happy with my decision.

For anyone interested... 275/35-19 Fronts & 295/35-19 Rears.. Just need my wheels now...

As long as your happy with your decision is what counts.

But I'd take b-rated Michelins any day, simply because I feel from the amount of different tyres I have driven is how much money did Pirelli pay to get that A rating? ;)

Having now owned two cars on Pzero, they were both the same in cold/wet conditions, nervous, lacking confidence and with very quick break-away in wet conditions, particular when sub 10c.

Yet switching to other brands on both cars, I even ran Michelin Cups on the Porsche which are rated C in the wet, actually no they were E on the original Cups I ran and have practically no tread on them (5mm from new) as a semi-slick, but even on the road in the wet they were more confident inspiring that the zero grip and zero confidence Pzero in cold wet conditions. The Michelin rubber is just simply a lot easier to turn on in wet conditions and for whatever voodoo magic it is Michelin tyres simply seem to last longer too. On the 911 the MPSS literally last 3x longer than Pzero.

Maybe it is just preference but you only have to search this forum or google itself for Pzero vs MPSS and the results are pretty self explanatory.

But your happy, so were all happy but I like share my findings on all things car, some people appreciate it, I guess if you don't appreciate it, just hit the ignore button, its upto you, but I shall carry on sharing my information.

 

[goldengooner]

Photoshop.

Photoshop.

spot on
just look at where she is looking, to the side, at least get a pic with her looking straight on
have a look at a few Modurstang open days, if you want Real Models

 

[goldengooner]

For anyone interested... 275/35-19 Fronts & 295/35-19 Rears.. Just need my wheels now...

was chatting to Mike today at Modurstang who knows just a little bit about cars, Mustangs, S550, and racing. He has an S550 and has still kept the stock tires, he said "there is nother wrong with them" most of the time it's the drivers who are not used to am 400hp rear wheel drive car.
As I wanted to know about mine, mind you I do have A/S on my CS only model that has the A/S tires, which is a bit weird
anyway just saying what i was told, so don't shot the messenger
Over and Out on this

 

[Enoch]

was chatting to Mike today at Modurstang who knows just a little bit about cars, Mustangs, S550, and racing. He has an S550 and has still kept the stock tires, he said "there is nother wrong with them" most of the time it's the drivers who are not used to am 400hp rear wheel drive car.

I've spent the last 20 years driving 300+ and 400+ BHP TVR's... No traction control, no ABS. No airbags....and no compromises.....before that it was big sports bikes....

I'm far from a driving God, but I do know what's going on when I'm behind the wheel....... Maybe another reason my fully comp insurance is £175 quid:lol::lol:

 

[stevec]

I've spent the last 20 years driving 300+ and 400+ BHP TVR's... No traction control, no ABS. No airbags....and no compromises.....before that it was big sports bikes....

I'm far from a driving God, but I do know what's going on when I'm behind the wheel....... Maybe another reason my fully comp insurance is £175 quid:lol::lol:

Thought you had had your last say in the matter?

For what its worth, I am 'not' used to driving 400hp cars with rwd and I admit the Mustang scared the shit out of me on more than one occasion, when not expecting it.

But, changing the tryes from P Zeros to MPSS made a big difference in cold/wet conditions.

However, thats where my experience ends. For all I know the P Zero is as good or even better in the dry and warm I dont know and I am know way experience enough to comment.

Keep the debates going through, I enjoy them, especially when they get feisty!

 

[Enoch]

Like I said above.....I never advise anyone on anything.....I would never presume to say that because I've fitted Steeda springs, ARB's, Borla, BMR lockout, etc etc etc that, that's what everyone else should do because I say they're great you must do this or that.

Im happy to fit parts, and give an honest opinion on how they suit me....

Hence my many mistakes along the way:frusty::frusty:

I didn't like the Steeda diff inserts, but you'd never hear me say they're crap so no one else should fit them
I didn't like the Ford Racing Touring exhaust..... I changed it for something else..

Like wise.... Some folk don't like the Pirellis....that doesn't mean they're shite, and you must fit somthing else or die...

Now this really is my last comment on the matter, as it's getting boring

 

[Big_G]

I actually find the tyres alright, even in the wet. I don't drive like a lunatic (not that i'm suggesting anyone else does), however i do drive an Ecoboost and on that basis according to most other Mustang owners my opinion doesn't count

 

[tooley]

My experience with the Pirellis so far has been fine - I'm not experienced in RWD cars so I'm taking it easy and learning the car's habits but there have been no nasty surprises yet (despite driving through a monsoon on Friday last week).

When these wear out I will probably change to Michelins, if nothing else because past experience has taught me that they do last much longer, so it makes financial sense, even at £400 more per set. Increased performance and confidence is a bonus then.

 

[marks]

Like I said.... I'm not going to get into a spat with someone whose opinion means nothing to me.... So this is my last post on the subject

I repeat that unlike you, I never advised anyone on anything......I gave my own opinion based on my experience... On a thread asking about the Pirellis.
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:lol:

In other words, Gibbo may know what he's talking about (or at least sounds like he does) but I'm going to completely disregard any facts because I don't like them. :clap2:

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