Here it comes!!

[K4fxd]

Born and raised in Youngstown, Ohio

Too damn cold and too much snow. I like it here in KY and probably will move permanently to Florida in the near future. Free States.

Sponsored

 

[sk47]

Firefighters battling blazes caused by waterlogged electric vehicles in Florida (msn.com)

Hello; This is an aspect I doubt few have considered. It is bad enough to have a vehicle flooded without the hard to extinguish fire hazard. Bet some buildings with ground or below ground parking will have to think about allowing EV's.
A new thought just now. I live in TN close to the border between TN and KY. To drive to KY I must go thru a tunnel. The tunnel is on national park property - Cumberland Gap National Park. There is an elaborate system of stop and go signs at the entrances of the tunnels. There is a two lane tunnel going south and another two lane tunnel going north.
Traffic is stopped very often for any hazardous loads. I have had to sit and wait many, many times for a fuel tanker and other loads to be escorted thru the tunnels. Since the route is a main road and our fuel has to pass thru the tunnels it happens a lot. I just had a vision of an EV fire in one of the tunnels. An EV fire in a car is bad enough. What would an EV fire in a big EV truck be like.

 

[K4fxd]

The lightning is nothing but a novelty.
https://news.yahoo.com/youtubers-disaster-towing-f-150-165603212.html

Ca to ban private parking?

https://californiamorningpress.com/...king-minimums-near-transit-los-angeles-times/

 

[sk47]

The lightning is nothing but a novelty.
https://news.yahoo.com/youtubers-disaster-towing-f-150-165603212.html

Ca to ban private parking?

https://californiamorningpress.com/...king-minimums-near-transit-los-angeles-times/

Hello; The EV truck link backs up what I have been reading for a while. Makes sense in that it takes more energy to haul or tow a lot of weight. The 200 mile range the guy started with must be for the truck only. Saw in the story about an (app) to help figure how weight/aerodynamics will affect range. The other day i hauled off some rock and dirt, then pulled my boat to the lake and the next morning picked up 900 pounds of concrete mix. Hurt my MPG's some from a normal of 18-19 MPG;s down to 15-16 MPG's. So, i lost three MPG's overall. But I have a 36 gallon tank and only used about nine gallons. That was around 140 miles of driving. I had maybe another 400+ miles of range with those loads to empty.

NOTE- I do not like to let the truck get too low as it costs a lot to fill it up. But that is the goal is it not. To make driving an ICE too expensive so we will switch to an EV. Of course, the EV champions neglected to have EV's and EV infrastructure up to snuff for the jobs. They have a good idea in their heads, but reality will keep biting them in the behind for some time to come. What i see happening is this premature rush by mandate to EV's will leave a lot of people who would actually support the concept with a very sour experience and may set back the whole deal. Does not matter how sweet the idea may be. If it sucks in real life it will fail.


The California no parking thing has me a bit confused. Read thru it once and do not quite get it. No parking close to mass transit??? I may have it wrong, but someone will have to spell it out as i will not read it again. Thanks anyway, even confusing California things are worth knowing.

 

[sk47]

REMS Payments Definition | Law Insider

EPA Signals New Position on Small Refinery Exemptions | US EPA

Proposal to Deny Petitions for Small Refinery Exemptions | US EPA



Hello; Had a news program on in the background this morning. Heard something about how a major problem with fuel prices is the fact in the USA no new refineries have been built for over two decades. That I have heard of before. A not in my backyard sort of thing coupled with lots of environmental challenges. So that news was no a new item.

What was new to me is there are a number of small refineries in operation which have been given an exemption on some sorts of payments under something called REMS. Here is where I am not up to speed on the details, so make corrections as needed.

I think this means these smaller businesses did not have to pay some sort of fee the last few years. The idea seems to be they could not make the payments and remain in business. Not clear to me what the payments/fees are for but suspect it is something like carbon credits maybe. This is a part not clear. Anyway the plan seems to be to take away the payment exemptions. On top of that what I heard in the news cast is the government agency plans to go back four years and charge the exempted payments. I think I heard this morning this will put some of the small refineries out of business.

I will speculate some at this point. Appears to me to be one of the strategies in the “war” on fossil fuels. A tactic to reduce availability of refined product. A guess is some do not like the emissions from refineries so to their agenda of closing them down makes a sort of environmental sense to them. Not a bad plan except for the overall harm this will cause.

The harm could be two fold. One harm might be less fuel available to power things and heat homes. Another might be the cost of fuels will increase further for one or two reasons. One being the small refineries will have to charge more for the service in order to pay the fees. The other will be a rise in cost because less refined product is available.

I do not pretend to understand this REMS very well. If I have things incorrect please explain.

 

[joez3]

Don't put much into that Hoover video, most of his videos are him failing. Most of his videos are him buying the cheapest Ferrari in the US then need to put several thousand into make it run.
Something that most people don't understand yet is how little power electric car have when compared to gas. A 98Kwh battery is less then 3 gallons of gas, Convert Kilowatt Hour to Gasoline Gallon Equivalent (kWh to gge) ― JustinTOOLs.com
So if he drove 100 miles and drained the battery that is like 33mpg, isn't?

 

[sk47]

No, it doesn’t cost between $25-30K to replace most electric vehicle batteries (msn.com)

Hello; I read this story hoping to find some good news about battery replacement costs. Unfortunately, I came away wondering if the authors are leaving out some important information. They probably have the range of costs for the actual batteries close enough. Things such as labor to remove and install a new battery do not seem to be included. I can replace an ICE battery myself. Not so with an EV battery
An EV battery will weigh hundreds of pounds so will need some sort of lift. Maybe a special sort of lift. The EV batteries have enough power to kill so likely needs special knowledge or tools.

Not long ago a forum member posted about a disposal cost for the old used batteries. The fee he quoted was quite high, in the thousands I think.

Any way I wonder if this is an accurate bit of information???

 

[sk47]

Tesla Model S Becomes A Hybrid, Never Stops To Charge On 1,800-Mile Trip (msn.com)

Hello; I sort of took this as a tongue in cheek parody by someone who has a lot of extra time and energy. I would make fun of the idea except I thought of something similar my self. My notion was to put a two inch tow hitch on the back and mount a small generator.
His concept sort of worked but had some weak points. Anyway, it defeats the general concept behind an EV I guess. But he made it work.

May not be THE answer for times when the power grid is down and you only have an EV, but it is an answer.

 

[sk47]

How Much Does It Cost to Replace a Battery in an Electric Vehicle (EV) That’s Not Under Warranty? (msn.com)
Hello; Much of this information is similar to what has already been known. A bit more specific about some models and some general estimates.

The bit that caught me attention was in the last paragraph. Along the lines of do not keep an EV past the warranty period. Duh. My guess is taking an EV in to sell or trade just before the warranty expires will kill the trade in value. I cannot picture dealers paying good money for something which will need an expensive battery. Nor can i see a private buyer with any understanding/knowledge buying an old EV. Perhaps I miss something???

 

[sk47]

Ford F-150 Lightning Towed Away, Owner Says EA Charger “Fried” His Truck (msn.com)

Hello; Nothing of major significance in this story so far. A family was a long way from home and tried to fast charge the truck. Something popped and the truck went dead.
Figure an EV champion will point out that ICE vehicles break down, which they do. Just an interesting story so far.
I keep a small box of tools in my ICE vehicles. Over the decades have been able to fix a lot of roadside problems. Wonder what tools will be good to keep in an EV?

 

[RagmopInKona]

Won't live be great, when at a flip of a switch, you are brought to your knees.
1984 was a warning, not a guide.

 

[Gregs24]

Something that most people don't understand yet is how little power electric car have when compared to gas. A 98Kwh battery is less then 3 gallons of gas, Convert Kilowatt Hour to Gasoline Gallon Equivalent (kWh to gge) ― JustinTOOLs.com
So if he drove 100 miles and drained the battery that is like 33mpg, isn't?

A 98kWh battery would get you further than 100 miles in a car. You need a lot less stored energy (power is energy x time) in a battery compared to gasoline because the electric motor has around 90% efficiency compared to an ICE at around 35%. A lot of this inefficiency is heat which means cooling hinders aerodynamics in an ICE car too

 

[sk47]

A 98kWh battery would get you further than 100 miles in a car. You need a lot less stored energy (power is energy x time) in a battery compared to gasoline because the electric motor has around 90% efficiency compared to an ICE at around 35%. A lot of this inefficiency is heat which means cooling hinders aerodynamics in an ICE car too

Hello; Let me say up front I have not researched the energy use needed to get liquid fuels (gasoline/diesel) from the ground then refined and transported to a service station. I imagine this could be figured out.
Starting from a similar base point there will be energy use in making the electricity which gets pumped into the storage battery of an EV. Digging and transport of coal. Burning the coal to heat water to run a steam generator. (Lots of energy inefficiency there as heat goes up the smoke stacks.) Similar for natural gas power plants. Nuclear and hydro do not in the same category of electric power generation. Much of the energy cost is upfront during the building of the complexes. Guess we can throw in solar and wind generators to the mix, but they are still a very low % of generation last I knew.

My point being that currently most electricity is being generated by coal and a lot of inefficient heat results in the process. The 90% efficiency for an EV is a calculation from after the electricity is pumped into the battery. The combustion portion of an EV's energy cycle happens away from the vehicle.
But I get it. To make the EV seem more efficient leave out some selected bits of the process. The notion that EV's are cleaner/ more efficient is not yet true in real life. In the "someday" world of non-fossil fuel electricity the reality of an EV may approach the imagined/idealized hype.

 

[sk47]

This little-known bottleneck is blocking clean energy for millions (msn.com)

Hello; Not new information exactly, we have known for some time the overall grid will have to be improved to get to green energy goals of no fossil fuels and over to solar and wind and such. Just a lot of detail in this story.
Seems you can plane to build a solar farm or wind farm but may not be able to get hooked up to the grid for a long time or it may cost more than expected.

Sponsored