Dramad1
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I didn't see it mentioned above but the lil traction light will blink on cluster when engaging. I like to roll with everything off unless bombing into wet twisted and or rain/snow when and if it ever does.
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Why can't people understand that our cars have 435hp and 400ft/lbs of torque? It's not that hard to get them to lose traction and even easier to make them do it when you have SUMMER tires being used in the WINTER.
Like others have said, once you lose grip there is only so much the car can do to correct this, especially, if you aren't doing your part as the driver to help it. Traction and stability control are more of an aid than a preventative measure. every time they have kicked in for me it was still my responsibility to correct what was going on (control the throttle, apply the correct amount of brake if the situation calls for it, steer into the slide, etc.).
Bottom line is, learn the limits of the car, practice your driving skills, and use common sense.
In this case, common sense tells us to buy winter tires or at least all seasons.
Like others have said, once you lose grip there is only so much the car can do to correct this, especially, if you aren't doing your part as the driver to help it. Traction and stability control are more of an aid than a preventative measure. every time they have kicked in for me it was still my responsibility to correct what was going on (control the throttle, apply the correct amount of brake if the situation calls for it, steer into the slide, etc.).
Bottom line is, learn the limits of the car, practice your driving skills, and use common sense.
In this case, common sense tells us to buy winter tires or at least all seasons.
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Charles147
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^^ This all day long ^^ These tire threads are just sad. Stop blaming the tires and first look at yourself. And if you cant get a grip with that, please don't put any go fast parts on your car.
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Armen
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This is key, imo, and also why tires do matter. When a tire primarily meant for summer conditions is subjected to cold temps, the softer rubber becomes hard and provides much less grip - we all agree on this point, I think.
But once traction is lost, this same summer tire has a much harder time regaining that traction in these colder temps for which is was not designed, and subsequently, stability control will have a much more difficult time bringing everything back in line.
It will make it appear as tho the system is not working effectively, when in fact, the cold tread blocks and the cold surface (less friction/traction/grip) are preventing the stability control from being effective.
Winter tires are not just for snow. The rubber compound is designed to be much more pliable when the temps drop below 45F (7C), thus providing better grip. Summer compounds simply harden and provide much less grip, compromising even the best stability control systems.
shawndean22
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blame the driver, do not blame the tires..... if you have common sense you should know how to drive in the winter time. But then again there are some people who will redline in cold weather and blame the tires.....
Norm Peterson
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I really have to wonder why they even bothered to put lights in for these things.
If they're off, there's nothing to look at, and if some nanny system has kicked itself into action, that's exactly when you most need to be looking outside the car at where you want to be going.
Not at some message or indicator light inside the car. Not even at a heads-up display.
Norm
Charles147
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EXACTLY. Tires are a tool. It still takes a person behind the wheel to control no matter the tire specs. Unfortunately, too many people cant take ownership and must blame something or someone (ie: Ford, Perilli's, or other driver) other than themselves.
I cannot recall one case on this board where the driver w/PP summers was driving reasonably in wintery conditions. Stop blaming tires and MAN UP!
Charles147
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So true. Reminds me of when people slam the brakes they put out their arm to protect the passenger. An arm across the chest is going to protect someone...REALLY? Please keep both hands on the wheel and steer out of this mess and let me out of the car.
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I'm pretty sure you were being rhetorical, but just in case...
Quite simply, it's the law. See NHTSA 49 CFR Part 571 and 585. Around page 140 IIRC.
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If both wheels lose all the traction there is a good change they have the same speed and then TC won't intervene. Not sure if it compares with the front wheels.
Bad tires, bad road or too much wheel spin will make TC intervene later or not at all.
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Then that's more accurately where my question is aimed.
No matter how hard I try, I can't make going out of the way to attract the driver's attention AWAY FROM THE ROAD DURING SOME URGENT SITUATION ever sound like a good thing.
Doesn't matter who's trying to convince me otherwise either, and I'm sure that a search would find some pretty foolish laws on the books.
Norm
