Hellcat Production - Lessons Learned

[Rated R]

Same brakes on both, man. I understand you may be thinking the 2012 vs current model offerings. Springs and swaybars I guess could be called re-engineering but that is due to extra weight on the nose not better handling, heat exchanger for the supercharger...part of the engine. Not trying to right fight here but even the SRT boys concede it is almost just the engine on differences.

http://www.drivesrt.com/news/2014/0...srt-hellcat-and-dodge-challenger-srt-392.html

I agree that it's not nearly as much engineering as the GT350. It's just too bad that Chrysler can't compete. It would great if they had a smaller 'Cuda.

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[1320']

Well FCA also got made an example of by the Government.

The Government messed up so bad on oversight of the GM and Honda recalls that now they have to save face by slugging on FCA.

 

[Rick R]

The Porsche GT3 and GT4 cars are deliberately under-produced. They intentionally make fewer than they know they could make and would sell. Their stated goal is that not everybody who wants one can get one, their intention is to heighten the status of those cars and make them even more special.

And boy, do they succeed at at that. Waiting lists for thne GT3s and GT4s are super deep, even with substantial ADMs. Years-old GT3s driven balls-out on the track for thoudands of miles trade close to MSRP. Special edition cars like the RS 4.0 sell for double the original sticker or more.

I have a horrible feeling that Ford is trying to achieve the same thing here...

 

[w3rkn]

The Porsche GT3 and GT4 cars are deliberately under-produced. They intentionally make fewer than they know they could make and would sell. Their stated goal is that not everybody who wants one can get one, their intention is to heighten the status of those cars and make them even more special.

And boy, do they succeed at at that. Waiting lists for thne GT3s and GT4s are super deep, even with substantial ADMs. Years-old GT3s driven balls-out on the track for thoudands of miles trade close to MSRP. Special edition cars like the RS 4.0 sell for double the original sticker or more.

I have a horrible feeling that Ford is trying to achieve the same thing here...

Buy a GT350 and purchase CF wheels and rip out the backseat. Problem solved for the most part.

2016s will be out in full force next year. But so will the buyers...

 

[Spa2k]

Buy a GT350 and purchase CF wheels and rip out the backseat. Problem solved for the most part.

Except for the suspension tuning and a few other things...

 

[Rick R]

Buy a GT350 and purchase CF wheels and rip out the backseat. Problem solved for the most part.

2016s will be out in full force next year. But so will the buyers...

I'm actually talking about the straight GT350, not just thr R. I have a feel that F is trying to make far fewer of those than the demand.

The R would be the equivalent of the RS meaning "don't waste your time unless you wanna pay 2x", but the GT350 might still be too scarce.

 

[w3rkn]

I'm actually talking about the straight GT350, not just thr R. I have a feel that F is trying to make far fewer of those than the demand.

The R would be the equivalent of the RS meaning "don't waste your time unless you wanna pay 2x", but the GT350 might still be too scarce.

:headbonk:


No Ford intends to make a said amount of 350 and 350R's. Tied to as many 5.2 engine they can hand build, is as many 350 they will sell.

So much for your conspiracy theories.



Ford Motor Co doesn't receive the ADM, the dealer do. Ford will sell as many 350s as they planned. I'd say the 5k mark is a good reference for 2016.

 

[Rick R]

:headbonk:


No Ford intends to make a said amount of 350 and 350R's. Tied to as many 5.2 engine they can hand build, is as many 350 they will sell.

So much for your conspiracy theories.



Ford Motor Co doesn't receive the ADM, the dealer do. Ford will sell as many 350s as they planned. I'd say the 5k mark is a good reference for 2016.

And if there is demand for more than 5k cars - let,'s say for 8k cars, as a random example-, my "conspiracy theory" is wrong how, exactly?

And for the ADM, where did I say that anyone other than the dealer receives it?

Maybe you :headbonk: too much for your own good.

 

[1320']

And if there is demand for more than 5k cars - let,'s say for 8k cars, as a random example-, my "conspiracy theory" is wrong how, exactly?

And for the ADM, where did I say that anyone other than the dealer receives it?

Maybe you :headbonk: too much for your own good.

There are limits on how many engines and other components that can be manufactured in a given MY with reserves for warranty replacement equipment.

The 5.2 is unique to the 350 where the 5.0 is shared with the F150.

Same with the 6R80 and other components.

The 5.2 Voodoo and the 3160 aren't shared, therefore there are less and are more expensive.

So...that's why there are production limits.

 

[DrumReaper]

Ugh. ADMs... Build as many as they can sell... Here we go again... Somebody please post the dead horse cartoon again. Maybe some of these guys are visual learners.

 

[cjgt350]

Ugh. ADMs... Build as many as they can sell... Here we go again... Somebody please post the dead horse cartoon again. Maybe dome of these guys are visual learners.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28477

 

[R 350 gt Donson]

But does the GT350 have the same top end charge? I still say 12.3 to 12.4 at the strip. I hope that I'm wrong and we get a mid 11 second run.

It was just in one of the MotorTrend or Car and Driver (on line) that the R did the Quarter mile in 12 secs flat...It did not say the speed..

 

[DrumReaper]

Look... I don't get what all the hub bub is about. Here is what you need to know... The R outran the 911 GT3 track time. If that is the case, then the R has acceleration similar if not above that of the GT3. Nuff said!

Who the hell gives a bird turd about a straightline POS as a Hellcat? It may beat you to turn one, but the owner better hope it has thick undercoating cause it's gonna sail off into the rocks. A Dodge will dodge everything but the garage.

 

[Blk2015GT]

Look... I don't get what all the hub bub is about. Here is what you need to know... The R outran the 911 GT3 track time. If that is the case, then the R has acceleration similar if not above that of the GT3. Nuff said!

Who the hell gives a bird turd about a straightline POS as a Hellcat? It may beat you to turn one, but the owner better hope it has thick undercoating cause it's gonna sail off into the rocks. A Dodge will dodge everything but the garage.

Plus I'm pretty sure Shelby's other 2015 model the Supersnake is the car built to compete straight line. The 350 was always meant to be a track car to compete with the Z-28, Porches, etc.

You can strap a rocket engine to the Hellcat, you are still dragging 4500 pounds along even with 707hp. A comparable Mustang being light (a base GT is just about 900 pounds lighter) needs a LOT less raw hp to compete straight line. I'm betting a Whippled GT could spank the Hellcat for a LOT less money into the car (plus can go around curves)

 

[1320']

Look... I don't get what all the hub bub is about. Here is what you need to know... The R outran the 911 GT3 track time. If that is the case, then the R has acceleration similar if not above that of the GT3. Nuff said!

Who the hell gives a bird turd about a straightline POS as a Hellcat? It may beat you to turn one, but the owner better hope it has thick undercoating cause it's gonna sail off into the rocks. A Dodge will dodge everything but the garage.

This was such a quality post.

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