GT350 vs. Z/28

[garagelogic]

Sturmler

...And was shocked by the level of fanboyism and violence people can express towards a brand, its products and owners.

Can you give us an example where anyone expressed a "level of violence"? How does one do that? I think you're trying to use a lot of words and phrases just to sound intelligent, but it's coming off as disingenuous and desperate.

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[Todd15Fastback]

I'm not on Camaro5/6. I'm just here because I currently have time to come and as I was seeking info about GT350 just to get informed

I arrived over here thx to google. And was shocked by the level of fanboyism and violence people can express towards a brand, its products and owners.

Few people here are above the pack by praising both cars and being happy with the competition and the great products it offers.

to each his own.

Riiiiiiight. You just stumble across the site via Google, yet come across as a GM/Camaro lover. Nice try though.

 

[licktensteins]

As far as things are going it looks like: 5th gen SS < Mustang GT (pp or not) < 5th Gen 1LE = 6th gen SS = or < GT350 = or < 6th gen 1LE (if any) < 5th Gen Z28 < GT350R < 6th gen Z28 (if any)

I feel like there's not much to argue. The full set up is well made between Ford and Chevrolet (it's so well done I even sometimes wonder if the two companies aren't agreeing on the set up before doing their cars ...).

To each his own, to each is car, to each the car his money can afford.

Since you like to speculate on non-existent cars, wonder if we can get your thoughts on the 2022 all-electric AWD Corvette for $22,000 vs. the 2023 Pagani quad-turbo 1.5L Unikoo for $1.5mil.

 

[thePill]

I'm not on Camaro5/6. I'm just here because I currently have time to come and as I was seeking info about GT350 just to get informed

I arrived over here thx to google. And was shocked by the level of fanboyism and violence people can express towards a brand, its products and owners.

Few people here are above the pack by praising both cars and being happy with the competition and the great products it offers.

to each his own.

Havent they taught you to lie better?

 

[BaylorCorvette]

For the Gen 6 Camaro, I'm not sure where GM will go with the engine. Can they keep the LS7 going? If the Camaro loses some weight, then maybe they could continue with the LS7 in a Z28 model. The problem is that the LT1 already makes the same torque up to ~5000 RPM, so will people see the benefit of the LS7? Then there's the LT4, but a track focused car like the Z28 should not have a heavy S/C over the front IMO. It's perfect for something like the ZL1, but not on the Z28. GM clearly tried to make the C7 Z06 a replacement for both the old C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1, but I think they leaned too far towards the ZR1 side of things (excellent street car and very fast at the track due to power, but also heavier and maybe not as well balanced as it could have been).

Personally I'd like GM to work on a version of the LT1 that eliminates the AFM valves and lifters (that's the cylinder deactivation), revs to 7000 like the LS7, and see what kind of power they can get out of something like that. Maybe it's "only" 520 HP (compared to 650 with the LT4), but I think that's the type of engine that the track based Camaro (and Vette for that matter) deserve.

Ford got the engine on the GT350 nailed. Not sure if GM has the desire do something similar, or if they'll rely on forced induction to get there. Maybe that, coupled with sales of the existing Z28, will decide whether there actually is a new Z28 at all.

-T

The LS7 is confirmed to be dead in the water. GM is on record saying that they tried to make an updated LS7 (LT7?) for the C7 Z06 however they couldn't meet CAFE standards at the power levels that they wanted. It was then that they invested into the LT4. From a street and drag perspective the LT4 is a great engine. However in my opinion the LT4 is not a good choice for someone doing serious track duty. I've seen way too many posts from customers and auto mags about the LT4 over heating as essentially going into a limp mode. MotorTrend over heated their Z06 on the highway in sub 90 degree weather claiming they were cruising at 70-80. There is no reason for that to happen. The C7 Z06/Z07 has so much potential and we've seen some laps already and the times are there. Unfortunately they're only there for a few laps and then they start to fall off.

Right now the only performance engines Chevy has to offer are the LT1 & LT4 and I fear that with the 6th gen they are going to try to merge the Z/28 & ZL1 much like they did with the C7 Z06. I really hope this isn't the case but I see this as the most likely route. It's possible they may hop up the LT1 into an LT6 (or some other name), I can see them able to get another ~50 horsepower out of it hitting 500 engine hp. Like you mentioned the low end grunt of the LT1 pretty much matches the out going LS7, so a hopped up LT1 would be sufficient.

 

[Erik427]

The LS7 is confirmed to be dead in the water. GM is on record saying that they tried to make an updated LS7 (LT7?) for the C7 Z06 however they couldn't meet CAFE standards at the power levels that they wanted. It was then that they invested into the LT4. From a street and drag perspective the LT4 is a great engine. However in my opinion the LT4 is not a good choice for someone doing serious track duty. I've seen way too many posts from customers and auto mags about the LT4 over heating as essentially going into a limp mode. MotorTrend over heated their Z06 on the highway in sub 90 degree weather claiming they were cruising at 70-80. There is no reason for that to happen. The C7 Z06/Z07 has so much potential and we've seen some laps already and the times are there. Unfortunately they're only there for a few laps and then they start to fall off.

Right now the only performance engines Chevy has to offer are the LT1 & LT4 and I fear that with the 6th gen they are going to try to merge the Z/28 & ZL1 much like they did with the C7 Z06. I really hope this isn't the case but I see this as the most likely route. It's possible they may hop up the LT1 into an LT6 (or some other name), I can see them able to get another ~50 horsepower out of it hitting 500 engine hp. Like you mentioned the low end grunt of the LT1 pretty much matches the out going LS7, so a hopped up LT1 would be sufficient.

I see a TT V-6 in the Camaro's future. Smaller=easier to keep cool. The V-8 faithful will hate it........

 

[Anthony 05 GT]

GM needs to go DOHC on V8 engines already. Time for a new engine and get with modern technology. I read a number of years back that GM was developing one, but they scrapped the plan. Probably during the height of the recession I believe.

 

[BaylorCorvette]

I see a TT V-6 in the Camaro's future. Smaller=easier to keep cool. The V-8 faithful will hate it........

Maybe, but honestly I see that happening with Ford before Chevy. Ford is investing heavily in the turbo charged six cylinders, even on flag ships such as the new Raptor and Ford GT. Meanwhile Chevy is trying to stay with V8's, this is shown with their trucks and flagship Corvette Z06. Cadillac's flagship is keeping the V8 as well in the CTS-V. Now the ATS-V on the other hand is using the TT V6, but that's really it.

 

[Mr Monte]

I would love to add a Z/28 to my collection but too spendy right now.

Saw this & though it was both funny and sad.

I was at my Chevy dealer this morning, He told me they were told not to expect any 16 Camaros until Mid January or February. There are so many 15 Camaro's on the lot they don't want to jam the market! He was funny they have 12 Camaro's and 1 Z/28. The Z/28 was there since Sept of last year. He told me they park the Z near an old tree in the back and hope lighting hits the tree so it can take out the car so they can get the insurance out of it. funny..

GM needs to go DOHC on V8 engines already. Time for a new engine and get with modern technology. I read a number of years back that GM was developing one, but they scrapped the plan. Probably during the height of the recession I believe.

You do know OHC engines came BEFORE OHV engines but both are over 100 year old technologies. Current version of both are mere modern versions of them. Cadillac even had a 4.7L flat plane V8 back in 1913 or so.

 

[speedracermustangfan]

I would love to add a Z/28 to my collection but too spendy right now.

Saw this & though it was both funny and sad.

I cant believe such bad ass rides are just sitting there. One other reason I think the z28 is tough sale is because the cost to operate the car as a daily driver is way too high. Between the gas mileage, tires, and brakes, it clearly isn't a car you could daily unless you were rich, but the rich could probably fork over an extra 25k for a gtr. Also anyone going into a chevy dealer looking for a fast, fun car will also give the corvette a look due to similar pricing (or cheaper). Also, the amenities (auto, premium packaging, nicer ride) likely sway many people in that direction. Even considering track performance, the c7 seems like the clear choice seeing as it makes less compromises, and is lighter, has lower cg, ect.

That sort of puts the z28 in weird no-mans land, only camaro fans with a big checkbook give it more than a second look.


I wonder what the lowest price/best deal on a new z28 will be.

Especially when the gen6 camaro hits showrooms, any z28s that are nice and cozy in the showroom will be sleeping outside soon after. I would ask for a huuuuge discount to even consider the car, especially if I knew it was just sitting outside for months.

 

[Anthony 05 GT]

Yes, Mr Monte I am aware of that. Modern OHC technology is not the same as the original crude versions. On a car like the Z/28 with an intended purpose I think it would even the playing field, especially a VVT DOHC big displacement engine somewhere in the 400-427 CID range. Could you see a high rev DOHC engine with big torque to boot?

 

[garagelogic]

Why don't you reveal your Camaro5/6 identity please.

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[DiMaio90]

GM needs to go DOHC on V8 engines already. Time for a new engine and get with modern technology. I read a number of years back that GM was developing one, but they scrapped the plan. Probably during the height of the recession I believe.

The LS3 is very competitive with the Coyote. Almost equal with bolt on potential going to the Coyote. Impressive considering it appeared in like 2008. The LT1 seems to be significantly up in power compared to the Coyote for now but I'm sure that Ford has something up their sleeves(DI) to even the score. I don't think they need to give up on the pushrod V8 just yet. Their engines are not what is holding their cars back- it's usually the car they surround the engine with.

 

[Sturmler]

I cant believe such bad ass rides are just sitting there. One other reason I think the z28 is tough sale is because the cost to operate the car as a daily driver is way too high. Between the gas mileage, tires, and brakes, it clearly isn't a car you could daily unless you were rich, but the rich could probably fork over an extra 25k for a gtr. Also anyone going into a chevy dealer looking for a fast, fun car will also give the corvette a look due to similar pricing (or cheaper). Also, the amenities (auto, premium packaging, nicer ride) likely sway many people in that direction. Even considering track performance, the c7 seems like the clear choice seeing as it makes less compromises, and is lighter, has lower cg, ect.

That sort of puts the z28 in weird no-mans land, only camaro fans with a big checkbook give it more than a second look.


I wonder what the lowest price/best deal on a new z28 will be.

Especially when the gen6 camaro hits showrooms, any z28s that are nice and cozy in the showroom will be sleeping outside soon after. I would ask for a huuuuge discount to even consider the car, especially if I knew it was just sitting outside for months.

I'd say also that maybe Chevys advertising of the Z28 was too agressive.

It was marketed like a track beast, barely street legal with no AC and blah and blah...

I'm afraid a large amount of buyers are just scared, thinking it's a track car only and that they don't have the skills to drive it.

Sure, it's a rocket on the track, still you don't need to come from the Andretti family to drive it on week ends on an open road ...

 

[Sturmler]

Havent they taught you to lie better?

Could you please show a little bit of respect?

You can think whatever you want, I can't prove it nor want to anyway. And you can't either.

Get over it

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