GT350 vs. Z/28

[300AGT]

Well lets talk 1LE for a short bit, Here the link to the SCCA http://www.scca.com/events/news.cfm?eid=6995&cid=52006 and you can see David Corsaro is the 2014 SCCA (FS) National Champion . Now what car did he use to win his 2014 SCCA (FS) National Championship with wait for it .............. a 2014 1LE Camaro . There a video of one of his run just for the fun of it https://video.search.yahoo.com/vide...ge=1400500538&fr2=p:s,v:v&fr=yfp-t-594-s&tt=b so now ThePill just when were you going to tell your Fan base that the 1le was use to win a SCCA (FS) National Championship?:doh:

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[Todd15Fastback]

Well lets talk 1LE for a short bit, Here the link to the SCCA http://www.scca.com/events/news.cfm?eid=6995&cid=52006 and you can see David Corsaro is the 2014 SCCA (FS) National Champion . Now what car did he use to win his 2014 SCCA (FS) National Championship with wait for it .............. a 2014 1LE Camaro . There a video of one of his run just for the fun of it https://video.search.yahoo.com/vide...ge=1400500538&fr2=p:s,v:v&fr=yfp-t-594-s&tt=b so now ThePill just when were you going to tell your Fan base that the 1le was use to win a SCCA (FS) National Championship?:doh:

Oh boy...More Camaro5 people coming to join and follow their idol, ThePill. There must be a support group online for this guy....

 

[thePill]

Well lets talk 1LE for a short bit, Here the link to the SCCA http://www.scca.com/events/news.cfm?eid=6995&cid=52006 and you can see David Corsaro is the 2014 SCCA (FS) National Champion . Now what car did he use to win his 2014 SCCA (FS) National Championship with wait for it .............. a 2014 1LE Camaro . There a video of one of his run just for the fun of it https://video.search.yahoo.com/vide...ge=1400500538&fr2=p:s,v:v&fr=yfp-t-594-s&tt=b so now ThePill just when were you going to tell your Fan base that the 1le was use to win a SCCA (FS) National Championship?:doh:

It would be impressive if he wasn't allowed to race FULL COMP TIRES in FS. I would LOVE to be afforded that advantage. I don't understand why he's happy about that. Hancock 160TW's against an '06 M3 and '07 GT. The 1LE was destroyed at the 2nd course by the 4.6 GT.


As you say...

Congratulations Chevy, 1LE is Number 1.

Seriously though, if you need comp tires in FS, what's the point.


There are no Mustangs allowed that kind of rubber. The Boss 302's are made to change their OEM tires in FS. Or banned in the Laguna Seca's case. Why does the Camaro get a 200 TW rating waiver? Because it sucks?

The 1LE also has back to back West Coast Regionals. Although, it was the only car running in the class. Throw in a Mustang...


Thank you for bringing this up though, it is a perfect example of double standards. The GT's or Boss 302's are not permitted to run a sub-200TW tire. The 1LE has been granted a waiver... Just like every other class it ruins. It's like having a fat kid set the pace for a marathon. (Edit: Pre-Coyote GT's are granted a Non-OEM equivilent tire waiver.)


The z28 is "permitted" in AS BUT, according to the SCCA, it needs to change everything. I say ban it like the Laguna and Z06. If the 1LE was truly a fast car, why is the Laguna Seca pushed to AS, while the 1LE is limited to FS? For some reason, in real life, the 1LE can't keep up with a Laguna Seca in the SCCA. I wonder how that happened? Other than being mostly beginner, if the 1LE was so incredible, it wouldn't be having trouble with a 4.6 GT.


Edit: I'm not gonna lie though, Hancocks have an advantage over the Yokohamas. Did you see the next 10 cars?

M3
Ford Mustang
Ford Mustang
Mustang
M3
Mustang
Mustang
1LE
Mustang
M3

Mostly Hancocks.

Those are stock 4.6's out there too, Boss's are rare. The 1LE was surrounded by a "inferior" car. It's like that every season.

That 2014 1LE was endanger of being toppled by a 2006 M3 and a 2007 4.6 GT. Can you say kiddie pool?

“Going into yesterday’s competition, I felt like I had an advantage on the East Course. I have a lot of horsepower available to me, and it was more open over there. Going to the West Course, I knew it was an uphill battle. So, I was able to stay clean on the third run and stay level headed.”

Why couldn't this 1LE out finesse a 2007 GT on the West course? You needed 110hp? Yes you did...

On Thursday, Corsaro set the bar high ripping off the fastest time of the top three finishers in class. With Friday’s conditions threatening rain, Corsaro slowed but had built enough of a lead to seal his Championship after setting only the fifth-fastest time on course.

Steal his Championship? From the S197's? It sounded like it was a rough season and he pulled it off at the end. Why is a 1LE having trouble in this class?

According to Motor Trend, this shouldn't happen.

...and don't even look in T2. I say stick to solo and the 4.6 GT :lol:

At least after 3 seasons it shows some progress.

 

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I don't really know much about this subject, but since nobody likes to show sources for anything I tried to do some research on this GT3 Mustang. All I found was a bunch of variations of this same article. Nothing was ever mentioned about a carbon tub, the main modification seems to be a sequential transaxle with independent rear suspension and a 5.3L engine with 560hp. But it seems to just be the stock unibody with a cage.

 

[68fbjjz109]

Oh boy...More Camaro5 people coming to join and follow their idol, ThePill. There must be a support group online for this guy....

Nothing wrong with discussion, there are alot of Camaro fans here and there is nothing wrong with that. Once the smoke clears there will be interesting information.

I think the 6gen Camaro is going to rip, things have always been heated between the cars. Even with the Mustang going in a new direction. However there is alot more going on now, this is the first time in a long time that you have a generation of cars coming out that have been slugging it back and forth and making waves everywhere in the previous generation.

Working in the auto industry for all the major OEMs to some extent, and having alot of Friends at GM who follow all the cars, to a lessor extent the Challenger because it is one a island as are most FCA products.

There is a mutual respect, but in my sphere of influence there is an notion that GM plays a little dirty, and likes to win magazine comparisons. When you look at tire wheel combinations. You will find that Camaro platforms that beat Mustang ones, have another level of bolt on components.

To beat the Boss; which they did. They built a car that couldn't directly compete with the Boss on the track. Ok fine.

With regards to the level of the 1LE , in my opinion there is nothing wrong with this, frankly I wish Ford would offer more of a track pack vs performance pack like the 1LE. Then you could have a trim levels of both cars in direct performance levels, but in classing grey areas. I know why they don't because Ford doesn't like variation, that's not how you build quality and make money. And you can look at the numbers, almost twice the number of Boss Mustangs have been built than 1LE's, which puts the Ratio to Performance pack Mustangs to 1LE's at probably over 10 to 1.

Ford seems a little more racing focused than GM with the Mustang, heck look at the method in which Ford Performance now sponsors teams. If they don't directly correlate to production, or continue the development of a car to better their customers products; they won't sponsor it.

However the fact of the matter is some people car about cars that can class, others only car about which on is faster for the money, you have two cars that are so similar, but there are two different approaches.

I think its the opinions that steam from equipment of vehicles, and their depiction to a point this that get the pill so fired up. But the community has to stay principled when looking at these things, be sure credit is given where do, and receded where it's not.

 

[Sasuketr]

The side profile looks similar to stang i think! What do you guys think?

 

[Erik427]

I keep telling people that new camaro is sharp looking....and yes it does look a little bit like the Stang.

 

[Sasuketr]

The one thing i can point out about the new mustang is i feel like there is something missing in the back, it looks a little odd but Ford fixed it with the gt350r spoiler! That makes the car look amazing and completes the back! It needed that lift!

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Nothing wrong with discussion, there are alot of Camaro fans here and there is nothing wrong with that. Once the smoke clears there will be interesting information.

I agree. Nothing wrong with the discussion. I am a fan of all performance cars.

My point was all these C5 people coming over her and joining just to debate on this. I find it very, very funny. As I have said it 100 times

This era in performance cars is fantastic. It rivals what happened in the 60's from start of that decade to the end.

 

[Sasuketr]

Now, thats a sharp looking car

 

[Sabre]

I don't think everyone here who is posting and discussing with thePill are necessarily "Camaro people"....mostly they are just arguing against a lot of false and/or exaggerated facts, claims and data...which does no one on either side any good.

 

[68fbjjz109]

I don't think everyone here who is posting and discussing with thePill are necessarily "Camaro people"....mostly they are just arguing against a lot of false and/or exaggerated facts, claims and data...which does no one on either side any good.

I would agree, we have alot of great resources here; from speculation, information, and facts. It's important we maintain which is such.

The side profile looks similar to stang i think! What do you guys think?

I am not sure how I feel about the side profile shot, however the 45 front profile shot; it looks really good.

We'll see it soon enough.

 

[Erik427]

Now, thats a sharp looking car

A thing of Beauty!:ford:

 

[garagelogic]

I would agree, we have alot of great resources here; from speculation, information, and facts. It's important we maintain which is such.




I am not sure how I feel about the side profile shot, however the 45 front profile shot; it looks really good.

We'll see it soon enough.

We'll just have to agree to disagree if you think that render is indicative of a good looking automobile.

 

[Sasuketr]

Guys honestly being a fan on the side you really can't call a car like six gen camaro or mustang ugly when you have cars like this!

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