GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

R u high??? So now it is going to weight 200 pounds less than a gt???? Also when a camaro weighed 37?? Pounds in 2010 or whatever u called it "fat pig" yet when a must weighs that much it is gods gifts to engineering! You r way behind when u talk about engines the gen 6 halo car will have an "lt5 trademark dohc direct injected 5.5l engine I can't believe with all of the " knowledge" and "inside info" u get u didn't know about this engine! You make us Ford owners and loves look like a bunch of whinny babys. When a mustang loses on a road course by 2 seconds it I'd a close race when a mustang wins by 1/2 second it is a murder. Also with ur ring conspiracy's u do realize they use GPS very accurate GPS and just slapped that over the video! They didn't use the video or timer as there time that was the time off the high dollar vbox they have!!

130lbs has already been confirmed, it is already dangerously close to 3500lbs as is... That is somewhere the Alpha platform will have a difficult time going.

They also do not have a 500+HP NA V8. So... Chevy themselves made it pretty clear that it is a race engine only. Not saying it won't evolve into an OEM offering. Right now, it is far from OEM ready.

PS. My insiders told me your crazy... They like you... but your crazy...

Also, for the record, there has NEVER been a 5th Gen SS that weighed 37xxlbs. The absolute lightest Chevy claimed a 2010 1SS to be was 3820lbs. They also claim that was with zero options selected too. Keep in mind, the 2010 Camaro couldn't initially support a convertible and most likely, Hi-Po applications until 2011.

A fully loaded 2015 Premium GT Performance pack weighed 3814lbs. That would still be 6lbs lighter than a 2010 1SS. The current 2015 1SS weighs 3908lbs according to Chevy. Which is also an optionless 1SS... that is nearly 100lbs heavier than a fully loaded Premium GTPP. Also, the S550 is convertible and GT350 ready. No more weight will need to be added as of now. GT500 may be a different story...

So yes... It is and still is a fat pig.

Since you are the only Camaro fan here with some courage, what is your opinion on the z28 and Team Camaro's faulty Nurburgring lap time? Team Corvette didn't tamper with the stopwatch. Shouldn't Team Camaro be held accountable? FACT: the z28 and ZL1 are the only cars that either stopped the watch early or started it late. None of the other established laps from other GM vehicles did that. Yes, the time was overlaid on top of the video... The same way the '13 GT500 timed it's 7:39 lap. Which beat the "unbeatable" ZL1 at the Ring. Who's cryin' now?

What about the claimed "Dry Run 7:31"? Is that really a time they ran or did they just simulate the run? Isn't it misleading to make that statement based on splicing telemetry together?

Isn't it strange the actual z28 that accomplished the lap was completely absent after the run? The ZL1 was displayed, even on Leno's garage. Aren't you curious as to what the actual car looked like?

I never said the Mustang losing by 2 seconds was a close race, nor did I say a 0.02 was murder. The statement was along the lines of "The 1LE isn't as dominating as Motor Trend has led you to believe". Sure, a single lap says it's faster in one comparison. Then the next track the Mustang lapped put it right with the 1LE didn't it? You also have to remember, that was a FULLY LOADED PREMIUM GT w/ Performance Pack and NO RECARO's (3814lbs).

The Mustang was STILL lighter than both the 1LE and z28. Both in which are stripped out 5th Gen's.

This isn't whinning, it's a warning... Just like all my other post... a speculative warning. Although, it does seem like a Ground-N-Pound doesn't it?

Edit: Salt in wound...

1 2014 Ferrari 458 Speciale 51.92 sec 142.1 mph
2 2015 Nissan GT-R Nismo 51.93 sec 141.7 mph
3 2014 Porsche 911 GT3 52.18 sec 139.7 mph
4 2015 Dodge Viper SRT TA 52.36 sec 137.2 mph
5 2013 Ferrari F12Berlinetta 52.97 sec 144.4 mph
6 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo 53.02 sec 140.5 mph
7 2014 Mercedes SLS AMG Black Series 53.66 sec 135.8 mph
8 2014 Nissan GT-R Track Edition 53.76 sec 135.6 mph
9 2013 SRT Viper 54.55 sec 138.9 mph
10 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 54.66 sec 131.2 mph
11 2014 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 54.80 sec 135.5 mph
12 2013 Porsche 911 Carrera 55.03 sec 133.5 mph
13 2014 Audi R8 V10 55.18 sec 135.9 mph
14 2012 Lexus LFA 55.48 sec 130.6 mph
15 2015 BMW M3 55.53 sec 132.3 mph
16 2015 Jaguar F-Type V8 55.84 sec 134.4 mph
17 2013 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 55.86 sec 133.9 mph
18 2013 BMW M6 Competition Pack 55.89 sec 133.8 mph
19 2015 Lexus RC F 56.08 sec 128.8 mph
20 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 56.19 sec 134.8 mph
21 2013 Jaguar XFR-S 56.33 sec 131.6 mph
22 2015 Dodge Challenger Hellcat 56.37 sec 131.5 mph
23 2015 Jaguar F-Type R 56.37 sec 133.5 mph
24 2014 Porsche Cayman S 56.73 sec 125.1 mph
25 2015 Ford Mustang GT 56.81 sec 127.2 mph
26 2014 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE

According to Road and Track's Performance Car of the Year competition, the Mustang beat the 1LE folks... Barely but, it managed to do so...

http://www.bimmerboost.com/content....st-figures-Lap-Times-1-4-mile-curb-weight-etc

Anyone see what they weighed a 2015 GT at? Anyone???

A base 2015 GTPP weighed 3540lbs...

Yes... They weighed one and it weighed 3540lbs...

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[thePill]

Anyone? Maybe thePill is insane... So insane that I somehow managed to brainwash R&T into weighing a Base GT at 3540lbs. Their Premium GT PP weighed 3806lbs so, it's within 8lbs of the C&D's similarly optioned GT.

Does a 3639lbs EU Mustang make sense now? Remember, the EU Mustang has some Premium and Performance Package equipment STANDARD.

I truly have reason to believe that the U.S. Curb weight of 3705lbs contained some stand alone options and maybe a package. It is the rules ya' know... FYI, the z28 weighed 3856lbs or 42lbs heavier than the heaviest Mustang. Let me say that again... The lightest Camaro is 42lbs heavier than the heaviest Mustang.



Now I ask you... Am I making this up or making sense?

 

[02gtnh]

Anyone? Maybe thePill is insane... So insane that I somehow managed to brainwash R&T into weighing a Base GT at 3540lbs. Their Premium GT PP weighed 3806lbs so, it's within 8lbs of the C&D's similarly optioned GT.

Does a 3639lbs EU Mustang make sense now? Remember, the EU Mustang has some Premium and Performance Package equipment STANDARD.

I truly have reason to believe that the U.S. Curb weight of 3705lbs contained some stand alone options and maybe a package. It is the rules ya' know... FYI, the z28 weighed 3856lbs or 42lbs heavier than the heaviest Mustang. Let me say that again... The lightest Camaro is 42lbs heavier than the heaviest Mustang.



Now I ask you... Am I making this up or making sense?

Come on now, you know that is a misprint. I can see you know telling everyone that the GT only weighs 3540lbs as a fact because you read it.:headbonk: there have been many who have weighed there's with pics, and they weigh what Ford says they weigh. So stop trying to convince people that Ford is lying and don't know how to weigh a car.

 

[thePill]

Come on now, you know that is a misprint. I can see you know telling everyone that the GT only weighs 3540lbs as a fact because you read it.:headbonk: there have been many who have weighed there's with pics, and they weigh what Ford says they weigh. So stop trying to convince people that Ford is lying and don't know how to weigh a car.

Do I for sure? No... Ford isn't lying, a GT does weigh 3705lbs... and 3639 and 3814 and so on.

If I removed the Premium and PP equipment from a 3639lbs GT, it would be under 3600lbs for sure.

Also, there was a 3rd party that weighed a Non-Recaro, GT with and Auto and it weighed 3705lbs. Which would likely place a manual GT at 3675 and a Recaro equipped GT around the advertised EU weight wouldn't it?

I witnessed a Base GT lightened to 3570lbs. It doesn't take much... I witnessed a GTPP weighing 3722lbs, a Non-GTPP would likely be lighter.


I don't need to convince people, that is just what was observed.

There is a federal requirement that says, the Curb Weight must consist of ALL options expected to be sold on 33% of vehicles produced or more. Nobody knows for sure what the 3705lbs consist of. If the automatic cars are weighing what Ford advertised the manuals at, I am almost positive the manual would weigh less.

The GTPP lap time is probably a misprint too... because it beat the 1LE... Maybe being 250lbs lighter made up those 2 seconds the 3814lbs GT fell behind...

 

[02gtnh]

Show me where a premium GT pp that weighed 3639. Plus the guy that weighed his auto at 3705 said his tank was full, but how full. We all know gas gauges are not accurate. Plus the auto only weighs 24lbs more then the manual and I belive he said he took the junk out of trunk also.

 

[thePill]

Show me where a premium GT pp that weighed 3639. Plus the guy that weighed his auto at 3705 said his tank was full, but how full. We all know gas gauges are not accurate. Plus the auto only weighs 24lbs more then the manual and I belive he said he took the junk out of trunk also.

It isn't a Premium GT, it is a Base GT with Premium and Performance Package equipment standard.

Here is that misprint... that they continued to quote and use throughout the competition.

It could be shipping weight...


POW POW!!!

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10582

The S550 is a global platform, the differences mostly pertaining to lighting and cosmetic changes. The vehicles are nearly identical... Maybe a pound is lighter in Germany.

Anyway, this 3639lbs GT uses most of the Performance Pack and the heavy Premium stuff like the 9 Speaker system. It also uses 275 rears, 15 inch disc (PP disc package), sways, strut tower brace... and some other crap... A Recaro GT at that weight would be closer to 3580-3620lbs. About the same as a 2014 Brembo GT w/ Recaro's.

Also, the 6 Way, Heated/Cooled Driver/Passenger Leather seats are standard. Our standard seats are the manual cloth.

So, since we all have witnessed an Auto GT w/Standard Seats (need to check if it was a Premium) weighed 3705lbs, I would think a Recaro Manual would be nearing 3670lbs. Then you have your 20lbs margin of human error.

 

[Sasuketr]

Pill,
There is one way to find if that car was premium just look and see the stereo if its that tiny screen or the big one. European standards are different but most of the time they do mistakes in their conversions. If Ford is saying a base gt weights 3705 lbs then it is. Even if you replace cloth seats with cloth recaros i dont think u can save that much weight. About the old gen camaro, i had an 2012 ls3 2ss/rs with sunroof and it weight 3890 pounds! My current car, a member here scaled it same as mine it was 3815 lbs with no ACC and 50th anniversary package so not even 100% loaded plus if u add the auto for the limited editions then i think the car will be in 3870 lbs range. I think the only thing recaros save u is the motors underneat the seats but recaros are wider then standard seats! There is also one major think that people are not taking into account in the camaros, fuel tank capacity is 19 gallons compared to 16 of what we have in the mustang. That is extra 20lbs right there lol. I wish our cars had extra 3 more gallons i could really use it!

 

[Cmycobrafly]

It isn't a Premium GT, it is a Base GT with Premium and Performance Package equipment standard.

Here is that misprint... that they continued to quote and use throughout the competition.

It could be shipping weight...


POW POW!!!

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10582

The S550 is a global platform, the differences mostly pertaining to lighting and cosmetic changes. The vehicles are nearly identical... Maybe a pound is lighter in Germany.

Anyway, this 3639lbs GT uses most of the Performance Pack and the heavy Premium stuff like the 9 Speaker system. It also uses 275 rears, 15 inch disc (PP disc package), sways, strut tower brace... and some other crap... A Recaro GT at that weight would be closer to 3580-3620lbs. About the same as a 2014 Brembo GT w/ Recaro's.

Also, the 6 Way, Heated/Cooled Driver/Passenger Leather seats are standard. Our standard seats are the manual cloth.

So, since we all have witnessed an Auto GT w/Standard Seats (need to check if it was a Premium) weighed 3705lbs, I would think a Recaro Manual would be nearing 3670lbs. Then you have your 20lbs margin of human error.

The gov law is for spa testing once again not for published curb weighs that OEMS have to advertise nice try again!!!!!!!!! Also the auto weighs close to a manual because a manual has a iron diff the auto is aluminum there is ur 30 pounds!!!!!

 

[Sasuketr]

Ohh i see let me tell you whats happening in the european version i m from europe, some goverments dont allow you to sell a 2015 model car in the year of 2014! They use the specs from the 2014 model year car, i m pretty sure the horsepower rating will also show 420hp instead of 435hp. Thats whats happening in the euro spec. Also that publisher made a mistake the car weigths 3740 lbs as a base gt pp!

 

[02gtnh]

It isn't a Premium GT, it is a Base GT with Premium and Performance Package equipment standard.

Here is that misprint... that they continued to quote and use throughout the competition.

It could be shipping weight...


POW POW!!!

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10582

The S550 is a global platform, the differences mostly pertaining to lighting and cosmetic changes. The vehicles are nearly identical... Maybe a pound is lighter in Germany.

Anyway, this 3639lbs GT uses most of the Performance Pack and the heavy Premium stuff like the 9 Speaker system. It also uses 275 rears, 15 inch disc (PP disc package), sways, strut tower brace... and some other crap... A Recaro GT at that weight would be closer to 3580-3620lbs. About the same as a 2014 Brembo GT w/ Recaro's.

Also, the 6 Way, Heated/Cooled Driver/Passenger Leather seats are standard. Our standard seats are the manual cloth.

So, since we all have witnessed an Auto GT w/Standard Seats (need to check if it was a Premium) weighed 3705lbs, I would think a Recaro Manual would be nearing 3670lbs. Then you have your 20lbs margin of human error.

For someone who bashes people who take magazine articles as proof of performance are sure doing a lot of quoting from mags to back up you theory.

 

[Cmycobrafly]

The gov law is for spa testing once again not for published curb weighs that OEMS have to advertise nice try again!!!!!!!!! Also the auto weighs close to a manual because a manual has a iron diff the auto is aluminum there is ur 30 pounds!!!!!

Also the 5.5 liter gm engine I am referring to I'd not even close to the racing once ground up competitor to the voodoo it will be called lt5 and have 5.? Displacement and have doc

 

[Cmycobrafly]

That 33 percent option bull crap is for spa testing only!!! Not for published curb weights the published curb weight from ford is a no options car period!!!!! Pill why do u think a car with 3.73 gears gets way worse milage than advertised because it was epa tested with cars 33 percent options!!!

 

[Cmycobrafly]

Also this might be a good place to say this to!! Rant of mine. No car manufacture Is lying about HP!! In 2003 when the cobras came out ford racing did the dyno work at time. First pull 422hp now it looks like ford is lying but back up pulls when engine was heat soaked were only 385-399 that Is on an engine dyno!!! Same rules apply now days!! They take engines heat soaked HP because they never want engine to under perform!!! The 435hp the mustang makes would be on a hhot pull!! That Is least it would make!!! Nobody is underrating engines or weight pill!!! I just hate people chassis dyno a car that is not heat soaked and will get 380 rwhp and think Ford Is some how lying!!! Make 3-4 more pulls on a loaded dyni right afterwards and see what it makes!!!

 

[thePill]

For someone who bashes people who take magazine articles as proof of performance are sure doing a lot of quoting from mags to back up you theory.

The second page is an Official Ford Press release. That is the one with the 3639lbs GT. But, there you have it... and no, the 33% rule isn't crap. The curb weight is needed first in order to move on to emissions and MPG. Both emissions and MPG needs to be tested at an established average (as the US sees it). The official curb weight is the only number Ford releases AND, as you can see, due to the different regional requirements, standards change... which alters the weight reported.

Also the 5.5 liter gm engine I am referring to I'd not even close to the racing once ground up competitor to the voodoo it will be called lt5 and have 5.? Displacement and have doc

Please stop multi-posting and quoting yourself. Your like a cross between Rainman and Deer Hunter...

 

[Taneras]

and no, the 33% rule isn't crap. The curb weight is needed first in order to move on to emissions and MPG. Both emissions and MPG needs to be tested at an established average (as the US sees it). The official curb weight is the only number Ford releases AND, as you can see, due to the different regional requirements, standards change... which alters the weight reported.

Considering how CAFE standards work, I can buy into this. Because GM sells more trucks and SUVs their CAFE rating would be lower than Honda, who doesn't sell many trucks or SUVs. Percentage of each model sold factors into CAFE standards, it wouldn't be a shocker to hear that it also plays a role in curb weight, especially since weight greatly affects MPG. I'm not saying its true, I don't know. But its certainly not outlandish if that ended up being the case.

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