GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

There is also a satellite report claiming a 7:28.xx under "NON-OEM" circumstances. I'm sure they mean the brakes, among some other things. Still not sure if I can trust the source yet or not but, they were both at the show and are still trailing.

Here is the text...

The 2016 Shelby GT350R has clocked a blistering-fast 7:32.19 at the legendary Nurburgring Nordschleife. That’s nearly 5 seconds faster than the Camaro Z/28’s well-groomed 7:37.40 time, and even a second faster than a Porsche 911 GT3 RS.

According to the fresh report, the GT350R clocked this time back in September of 2014, and was “easily repeatable”. The (trusted) source also claims that the ‘base’ GT350 is “within a few seconds” of the ‘R’ package, but no specific lap times were given for the base model.

The GT350R is a pretty substantial upgrade over the GT350. The ‘R’ package gets a unique chin splitter, an aluminum rear bumper beam, and “unique performance chassis tuning” as standard equipment. On top of all the Track Package goodies that come optional on the base GT350, you also get MagneRide magnetic dampers, a wider front track, increased spring rates, and a lowered ride height, coolers for the engine/transmission/differential, and selectable drive modes. Not to mention massive 15.5″ carbon-ceramic rotors clamped by six-piston Brembo calipers.

That is 1 second faster than the GT3 RS...

Here is what Dave said about the R compared to the GT3.

"Why would I choose a Shelby GT350R over a Porsche 911 GT3?" I asked. The answer came without the faintest trace of hesitation - "'Cause it's better!" This is how I started my conversation with Dave Pericak, Ford Mustang Chief Engineer, who's recently been tasked with steering Ford Performance, the Blue Oval's new global go-fast division.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/f...is-better-than-the-porsche-911-gt3-91165.html

I said the GT350R would be z28 embarrassing... It appears that the standard GT350TP is competitive with the z28 as well.

Edit: Regardless of what it ran, I'm still not sure if Ford will officially release a time. All that aside, some of these other rumors are in line with what I heard. It was rumored the GT350 was already faster than what slipped out for the GT500 (7:39). A 7:32 wouldn't shock me...

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[02gtnh]

But is that rumor any different then this one.

The 2014 Camaro Z/28 was built from the ground up to be an absolute weapon on the track. Packing a hand-assembled 7.0 liter LS7 V8, sticky Pirelli Trofeo R tires that are 305-wide in all corners and huge Brembo carbon ceramic brakes, it was obvious the Camaro Z/28 had all the right hardware to battle with the best Europe – or anyone else, could throw at it.
Still, the Z/28’s Nürburgring time of a staggering 7:37.4 left us dumbfounded. It was faster than a Lamborghini Murcielago, Porsche 911 Carrera S, Lexus LFA and Ferrari F430 Scuderia, to name a few. We were even more surprised when we saw the lap was done partially in the rain, raising speculation Chevrolet could potentially wring a few more seconds out of the z/28.
Recently Chief Design Engineer for the Camaro, Al Oppenheiser, confirmed the rumors that the car could complete the ‘Ring a little faster to Wards Automotive. According to Al-O, the Camaro did a time of 7:31.9 on a dry lap, but doesn’t consider it official because the cameras weren’t rolling. This would place the Z/28 into serious performance territory, on par with the Ferrari 458 Italia and Porsche 911 GT2.
We have a feeling this track-oriented muscle car game is just heating up. Your move, Ford.


Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/10...run-a-731-9-at-the-nurburgring/#ixzz3PqA9AzVu

 

[thePill]

Also, as reported by TN, the GT350R will make it's debut in CTSC (now with only one C) GS against the z28.

The GT350R in GS will feature 18x10 wheel/tires, smaller front and rear rotors, Class specific strut/shocks and, both the street car and race car are getting pretty close in curb/race weight.

Set to debut in Sebring!!! March 20th, 2015.
http://sportscar365.com/imsa/ctscc/...mustang-to-debut-at-sebring-plus-full-lineup/

 

[thePill]

But is that rumor any different then this one.

The 2014 Camaro Z/28 was built from the ground up to be an absolute weapon on the track. Packing a hand-assembled 7.0 liter LS7 V8, sticky Pirelli Trofeo R tires that are 305-wide in all corners and huge Brembo carbon ceramic brakes, it was obvious the Camaro Z/28 had all the right hardware to battle with the best Europe – or anyone else, could throw at it.
Still, the Z/28’s Nürburgring time of a staggering 7:37.4 left us dumbfounded. It was faster than a Lamborghini Murcielago, Porsche 911 Carrera S, Lexus LFA and Ferrari F430 Scuderia, to name a few. We were even more surprised when we saw the lap was done partially in the rain, raising speculation Chevrolet could potentially wring a few more seconds out of the z/28.
Recently Chief Design Engineer for the Camaro, Al Oppenheiser, confirmed the rumors that the car could complete the ‘Ring a little faster to Wards Automotive. According to Al-O, the Camaro did a time of 7:31.9 on a dry lap, but doesn’t consider it official because the cameras weren’t rolling. This would place the Z/28 into serious performance territory, on par with the Ferrari 458 Italia and Porsche 911 GT2.
We have a feeling this track-oriented muscle car game is just heating up. Your move, Ford.


Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/10...run-a-731-9-at-the-nurburgring/#ixzz3PqA9AzVu

Nope, Ford is systematically hitting the Camaro in every area precious to them... No matter how childish or meager the victory may seem...

This "R" was built with more than racing in mind.

If Ford goes ahead an advertises this openly, then it better be capable of doing that every lap until it breaks or crashes. Chevy uses Nurburgring to sell cars, Ford lets these times "slip" so they get circulated BUT, never become an official FoMoCo statement. There could be video "Slipped" and timed independently... Chevy's times are false, why compete with a cheater openly?

Everyone seems to brush the cheating under the rug, it makes me sick. Chevy goofing the stopwatch is soooooooooooooo Tom Brady....

 

[Swoope]

Everyone seems to brush the cheating under the rug, it makes me sick. Chevy goofing the stopwatch is soooooooooooooo Tom Brady....

really,

you have some inside info on that, what was the temp before and after the air fill gate?

sad that you toss this into your credible auto knowledge..

fail.

btw, watched the ccts or what ever it is live on friday.. the real race between the stevensen cars and the mustangs was really pretty good. the porch/rumbum car was sandbaging the whole race, it was that obvious..

will have to watch the race video to get the whole picture. but i watched billy johonson come back from i think 14 pos. to be within 5 car lengths of the second sevensen camaro in the international horseshoe before it ended..



beers

 

[thePill]

really,

you have some inside info on the, what was the temp before and after the air fill gate?

sad that you toss this into your credible auto knowledge..

fail.

btw, watched the ccts or what ever it is live on friday.. the real race between the stevensen cars and the mustangs was really pretty good. the porch/rumbum car was sandbaging the whole race, it was that obvious..

will have to watch the race video to get the whole picture. but i watched billy johonson come back from i think 14 pos. to be within 5 car lengths of the second sevensen camaro in the international horseshoe before it ended..



beers

LOL, I take it you never seen this?

Yes, this type of unsupervised conduct makes me sick.

Ever stumble across something that you're not sure you're supposed to have? Well that's the situation I recently found myself in. A few weeks ago I sent a request to Ford for some footage of the 2013-14 (we're not sure which, not that it makes a difference) SVT Shelby GT500 testing at various tracks. I had planned on putting together a little montage video of the baddest Mustang produced to date. SVT and Ford has always been very accommodating with our media and information requests, and this was no different. However, once the thumb-drive arrived things got really interesting.

Mixed in with the various clips from the various tracks was one that stood out; a full all-out test lap from The Nürburgring. As far as I know, Ford has not released any official 'Ring lap times or footage for the GT500. I have a feeling that this video file may have been included erroneously, but Ford did say I could use everything on the drive. So that leads us to the video above.

I trimmed a little off each end of the file and added a timer. I based the starting and ending points from conversations I've had with various "'Ring-Run Experts". It appears that most timed laps begin at the exit of pit row and ends at the first white stripe after the gantry. That description may sound a bit vague, but it'll all become clear once you watch the video.

By my rough calculations, which are no replacement for proper vBox data, the 2013-14 GT500 ran its 'Ring lap in a bit less than 7:40. Not only is that very impressive; but it also bests the SVT's chief rival, the Chevy Camaro ZL1's 7:41. In fact; it's just a few tics behind GM's purpose-built stripped-out track-car , the Camaro Z/28 and its 7:37.5. However, this is where things get very interesting. While there's really no such thing as an "official" lap time at The Nürburgring, if GM was trying to use the same starting and ending points as most it appears that Chevy may have fudged their numbers ever-so-slightly.

In doing my research on the timing points I took a frame by frame look at GM's Camaro videos. I noticed that with the ZL1 they appeared to start the clock ~6 frames late, but with the Z/28 they stopped the clock ~11 frames early. Both of these instances shaved less than 0.5 seconds off the lap time. Still, I thought it was worth noting. However; as I stated before; producing manufacturer backed 'Ring times is not an exact science, nor are my video based calculations:

As you can see here, the lap timer for the Z/28 has ended.

Strange that this information is so widely avoided when Nurburgring lap times are discussed. They got busted cheating, period...

I think it is also worth mentioning that the exact z28 used for the official run has NEVER been seen after the fact. The actual Ring ZL1 was a highly public event, funny the famous Nurburg"rain" z28 was never shown in anything other than a presumed press kit from the track in Michigan.

 

[Swoope]

maybe you could pm me the svt link..

not really sure what it has to do with football gate..

really after the half way mark at daytona the cars were pretty even, but i am guessing as it seems the pit strategies got way messed up. the stevenson cars were in the top 5 all race long, with them running nose to tail.. the #15 mustang was rocking, but think got caught out on pit strategy..

the rumbum porsch.. was in second the whole race except when he wanted to be in first.. and in the last 5 laps pulled a 5 sec lead..

the gs race was pretty much ford, porsch, chevy, chevy, bmw the whole race.. till the last yellow flag.

the st race was caymen, caymen, caymen, caymen, i think bmw.

beers

LOL, I take it you never seen this?

Yes, this type of unsupervised conduct makes me sick.


Strange that this information is so widely avoided when Nurburgring lap times are discussed. They got busted cheating, period...

I think it is also worth mentioning that the exact z28 used for the official run has NEVER been seen after the fact. The actual Ring ZL1 was a highly public event, funny the famous Nurburg"rain" z28 was never shown in anything other than a presumed press kit from the track in Michigan.

 

[thePill]

maybe you could pm me the svt link..

not really sure what it has to do with football gate..

really after the half way mark at daytona the cars were pretty even, but i am guessing as it seems the pit strategies got way messed up. the stevenson cars were in the top 5 all race long, with them running nose to tail.. the #15 mustang was rocking, but think got caught out on pit strategy..

the rumbum porsch.. was in second the whole race except when he wanted to be in first.. and in the last 5 laps pulled a 5 sec lead..

the gs race was pretty much ford, porsch, chevy, chevy, bmw the whole race.. till the last yellow flag.

the st race was caymen, caymen, caymen, caymen, i think bmw.

beers

Hope this works, it's a 3rd party report.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/30/shelby-gt500-nurburgring-video/

2013 GT500 laps Ring at 7:39, z28 and ZL1 caught cheating.

I want EVERYONE to have access to this finding. It isn't discussed enough nor is Chevy ever held accountable.

 

[Hack]

you have some inside info on that, what was the temp before and after the air fill gate?
beers

OT but am I the only one who thought the following:
1. An opposing DEFENSIVE player just touched a ball and immediately noticed the air pressure difference.
2. Referees handle footballs much more than defensive players.
3. The refs said nothing.

Conclusion: the entire scandal is only there for publicity to try to get more people to watch the Superbowl. NFL has been WWE for years but it is becoming almost sad in their efforts to create drama.

 

[Swoope]

Hope this works, it's a 3rd party report.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/30/shelby-gt500-nurburgring-video/

2013 GT500 laps Ring at 7:39, z28 and ZL1 caught cheating.

I want EVERYONE to have access to this finding. It isn't discussed enough nor is Chevy ever held accountable.

yea,

i know about that..

i guess my comment is that imsa has started to get parity, until sebring.

i still hate the fact that imsa that i used to love 20 years ago has merged with daytona/pt and the gs cars.

to many different races to keep up with..

but i am on my 21st hour of watching it.. and damn it did not rain this year..

beers

 

[thePill]

Road racing was in trouble, on a massive scale. I don't feel NASCAR could have saved Grand Am so, I am glad IMSA stepped in.

The SCCA is in a similar situation now, especially with car counts. I expect the FIA to step in and purchase the SCCA if IMSA does well (it appears IMSA is doing well now, and growing).

 

[thePill]

There are scattered, unconfirmed sources repeating 7:28 too. Neither time is official or concrete, it's just for fun.

"We will be most impressed with the MSRP" said of the GT350R. Trying not to break $70,000?

$66,000 would be nice...

Weight loss isn't being discussed right now because "They are still removing weight and finding ways to transfer and balance the car even more".

Carbon Ceramic Brakes were tested, there was a decent weight reduction at each wheel. Not worth the cost. There WAS an increase in performance using CCB's.

The GT350R was nearing 160mph on the Sebring stretch.... That is monsterious!!! This is far beyond any Pony Car if true.

 

[Swoope]

Road racing was in trouble, on a massive scale. I don't feel NASCAR could have saved Grand Am so, I am glad IMSA stepped in.

The SCCA is in a similar situation now, especially with car counts. I expect the FIA to step in and purchase the SCCA if IMSA does well (it appears IMSA is doing well now, and growing).

funny that i mentioned the merger..

i took a first time friend, mini driver.. not young but not old..

was giving the kinder enjoy the cars race.. not to crowded, and really can walk up to an touch the race cars..

well in the conti series race the car count was 50 something,, in the big days when i went to see it before the economy hit the fan. the car count was 120+.

today the rolex count with all 4 classes.. 50 something.

somehow i think sportscar racing will survive. not sure this is the final form.

less is more..

at least they were smart enough to move the ferris wheel to above pavement!!!! ;) got to love joey chitwood.

beers

 

[Gudz2015]

Hope this works, it's a 3rd party report.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/30/shelby-gt500-nurburgring-video/

2013 GT500 laps Ring at 7:39, z28 and ZL1 caught cheating.

I want EVERYONE to have access to this finding. It isn't discussed enough nor is Chevy ever held accountable.

can you provide the source of where you think z28 was caught cheating?

 

[thePill]

can you provide the source of where you think z28 was caught cheating?

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