GT350 vs. Z/28

[w3rkn]

Bingo! At least someone understood me!

I would also add that just because there were 3 different Boss cars is no guarantee that there will be 3 versions of the GT350.

Bro you are so dERP it kills me..


There will be MANY SVT versions of this new mustang.. let-alone the THREE GT350s.
It sound to me, like you are waiting on a Mach, or SVo that putting out 450tqz+ and can grab street pavement along side a sloppy Z/28 ..? Or, completely dismissing the possibility of a GT350 & two others for racing..? But your logic says just one..? So just the GT & GT500 then..? Nothing else that is streetable..?



Sounds to me like you are just trolling..

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[Norm Peterson]

I don't know why everyone is complaining about a $70k Shelby, look at the last GT500. To get all the goodies on that car it came in at about $70k with PP, electronics pack and whatever other packs you could buy. Yeah the car started at about $55k, but you could option it to $70k.

I think the GT350 will follow that pattern. It may come in at $60k base, but a fully loaded car with all the goodies will most likely hit $75k, and that loaded car will most likely be the version that tops the Z/28 performance wise.

It's a normally aspirated Mustang, not a 911 Carrera S. That said, a $75k Mustang has a better chance of attracting interest from those who can shop at the $100k level than from those who'd struggle with anything past $50k. I could probably raid my retirement fund enough to order one tomorrow, but that would certainly be one of the more foolish decisions I could make if I did.

Comparing a seriously road course focused NA Mustang to its loaded forced induction sibling misses the point. They wouldn't be cross-shopped any more than the ZL1 and Z/28 are. You buy the loaded FI car because you're more feature- and luxury-oriented than those who put the more rounded performance over all that other stuff to the extent of not really wanting either luxury or features.

I'm sure that the complaining would be even louder if the Z/28 hadn't already broken ground in the $75k range for a decontented normally aspirated car. It's no big secret that more than a few Camaro enthusiasts weren't and aren't happy about the Z/28's pricing, and not having anybody else's ponycar in the track-focused market to go on was part of that.


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

I doubt that any realistic analogy to what's available from Porsche can be made. The GT3 demographic is how many steps up the financial ladder from the bulk of the V8 ponycar demographic? With both absolutely and relatively how much more disposable income to be seriously shopping for P-cars to begin with?


Norm

 

[FATTBoss]

Norm, I was merely pointing out that a Mustang has already crossed the $70k threshold, not comparing the two.

w3rkn, I'm done trying to explain my position to you. You are simply being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

 

[Twin Turbo]

There will be MANY SVT versions of this new mustang.. let-alone the THREE GT350s.

Whilst GT500 and Mach 1 versions of S550 have been rumoured, we have no concrete evidence of either of those yet.........so that's a pretty strong statement you're making to say there will be MANY SVT versions of S550.

I hope you're right, but it'd be interesting to know if you have inside information (that I wouldn't expect you to give details on......but a hint would be nice ;) ) or if you are just speculating.

 

[mustangletback]

:lol:the GT350 will have no problems destroying the CRAPMARO z28.I also believe the fat cat from Fix It Again Tomorrow,will be destroyed by the next top SVT model.

 

[thePill]

Yet another z28 victory in CTSCC, the 3rd in a row with 2 poles in three races. I doubt it will end here.

I have made plans to sell my current '11 Drag car. My wife and I will be shopping for a Grabber Blue Mustang between '17 and '19. I want a supercharged/turbo SVT super toured, I can no longer race. Waiting for 3 things...

1.) A direct injected Coyote

2.) The '18 refresh

3.) GT500

So, mark me down as officially shopping as of now. I've seen enough...

 

[Backorder]

Yet another z28 victory in CTSCC, the 3rd in a row with 2 poles in three races. I doubt it will end here.

I have made plans to sell my current '11 Drag car. My wife and I will be shopping for a Grabber Blue Mustang between '17 and '19. I want a supercharged/turbo SVT super toured, I can no longer race. Waiting for 3 things...

1.) A direct injected Coyote

2.) The '18 refresh

3.) GT500

So, mark me down as officially shopping as of now. I've seen enough...

That's a long wait! And here I thought my wait for the GT350 (hopefully coming within a year) would be a long one!


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[Twin Turbo]

Yet another z28 victory in CTSCC, the 3rd in a row with 2 poles in three races. I doubt it will end here.

I have made plans to sell my current '11 Drag car. My wife and I will be shopping for a Grabber Blue Mustang between '17 and '19. I want a supercharged/turbo SVT super toured, I can no longer race. Waiting for 3 things...

1.) A direct injected Coyote

2.) The '18 refresh

3.) GT500

So, mark me down as officially shopping as of now. I've seen enough...

Well, I hope you get what you want............as I could happily "settle" for that, too

 

[thePill]

Windows decided to remove this post and place an off topic post here instead.

basically, 2015 Z06, 3525lbs.

 

[thePill]

I'm not sure this is true but, I'm hearing that the OEM GT350(s) will in fact be homologated from Multimatics GT350R they are developing as we speak. Nobody from Multimatic are speaking openly about the GT350R, except for the mention of the nameplate.

Nothing really ground breaking here, just the fact that Ford is developing an OEM sports coupe based in the car found in IMSA CTSCC GS. This was the exact same method used on the Boss 302 for Grand Am GS in 2010 so, it doesn't surprise me.

This means that once again, Ford will be limited by the rulebook. However, this doesn't mean it won't produce Boss 302/z28 lap times...

...in fact, not only will its lap times on par with previous competitors, it will do it even closer to stock than the Boss 302.

As I suggested before, the GT350 could become the competitive, American race bred performance shoe in for anything road course related. The Z06 was famous for its bang for the buck, track dominance and developed quite the reputation. Although, the C7 Z06 is now NOT ideal for competitive road racing.

 

[Stuntman]

Did they build a race version of the street Boss 302 or as you said, build a street version of a racecar?

Looks like the GT350 street car has been in development a lot longer than any notion of a CTSCC race version.

 

[garagelogic]

Did they build a race version of the street Boss 302 or as you said, build a street version of a racecar?

Looks like the GT350 street car has been in development a lot longer than any notion of a CTSCC race version.

Slow day over on C5?

 

[thePill]

Did they build a race version of the street Boss 302 or as you said, build a street version of a racecar?

Looks like the GT350 street car has been in development a lot longer than any notion of a CTSCC race version.

Both the Boss and looks like the GT350 were developed from the competition R versions. The issue with the Boss program was the OEM versions were not ready before 1 January. Ford needed to apply for a waiver to allow the Boss 302R to race because the Boss 302 and Laguna Seca were not available to the public 30 days prior to Daytona.

If Multimatic has the GT350 already and its debut is in September, it tells me the GT350R for CTSCC is finished and ready to rock.

The GT350 street fighter isn't being released until next Spring... Its not finished yet AND, its still being tested when the Multimatic car is done.

Now, take the z28's approach to homologation... they don't homologate...

They develop and market a "racecar" based on a racecar that didn't exist. They didn't start testing the Z/28.R until January and the OEM car was complete in October the previous year. Then compare themselves to vehicles in that class while having no real limitations as they did... I would never consider a z28 being classed with the Boss, M3, 997 or GT350, its more of a Super Tourer.

CTSCC has given the championship to any of the Camaro teams. The things the Camaro is allowed to get away with sets a bad example to the other manufacturers. Why go through the trouble of developing an OEM car based on the CTSCC rulebook? The Camaro didn't have to... Basically, the Z/28.R was a clean slate that was filled with premium performance equipment.

 

[Pablo GT350]

I agree with your points in general but I do think there are a few "lessons learned" from the track car that make it to production.

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