GT350 price range?

[moodster]

I think the carbon brakes will be included in a track pack option.
Kind of like the track pack option on current GT500 that has the oil coolers and such for track work.

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[jimmythepage666]

^that is misleading on multiple fronts

There was a rumor that the price would go up by 5% because the v6 base price went up by 4.8%, however that was quickly dissolved. Every car went up by around $1000-2000, which is actually very reasonable considering just how much stuff was upgraded.

Thus if the 2013 base boss had an msrp of $42k, it seems reasonable to assume the base price of the gt350 will be around $45k (optioned probably going up to $55k).

Now regarding the engine, even if it did have a NA fpc v8, 600 hp would be a truly outstanding engineering achievement - as in not possible with their current budget and materials. For reference, the most powerful NA v8 (made by Mercedes) currently makes
503 hp and has a very large 6.2L of displacement (ie wouldn't fit in the S550). I think 500+ hp would be more reasonable, but certainly less than 550.

I don't think the gt350 was meant to replace the boss, it was confirmed that the gt pp will outperform the boss and will probably hover around $40k with the performance package and a few other options. The next level might be the mach 1 later on and will slot in like the 2003 lineup: gt>mach1>svt cobra. I could see the mach 1 filling the boss price/performance niche between the gt and gt350/gt500.

Ford has been tight lipped about the gt350, a flat plane crank would change the game, and perhaps their budget will allow one with 600hp.



I know this is a race engine, but this proves a fpc 5.0 with over 600hp is possible and defiantly affordable, considering the volume of cars that will likely be produced.

 

[Grimace427]

I don't think the gt350 was meant to replace the boss, it was confirmed that the gt pp will outperform the boss and will probably hover around $40k with the performance package and a few other options. The next level might be the mach 1 later on and will slot in like the 2003 lineup: gt>mach1>svt cobra. I could see the mach 1 filling the boss price/performance niche between the gt and gt350/gt500.

I don't think the GT PP has any relevance in this particular discussion. The idea of the GT350 replacing the Boss has nothing to do with lap times but merely the ranking within the Mustang lineup. If the 2015 GT PP can best the previous Boss in lap times, then there is still room for a Hi-Po(GT350) model to best the 2015 GT PP in lap times and slot between that and the Top Dog(GT500) in both power and price.

Ford has been tight lipped about the gt350, a flat plane crank would change the game, and perhaps their budget will allow one with 600hp.



I know this is a race engine, but this proves a fpc 5.0 with over 600hp is possible and defiantly affordable, considering the volume of cars that will likely be produced.

I can't see the video you posted(blocked here at work) but if that's what I'm thinking of it's making 600hp with race fuel spinning 9,000+rpm through a full racing exhaust and all costing more than most of us spend on their entire car. None of that would make it to an OEM street car so we need to stay realistic.

 

[jimmythepage666]

I don't think the GT PP has any relevance in this particular discussion. The idea of the GT350 replacing the Boss has nothing to do with lap times but merely the ranking within the Mustang lineup. If the 2015 GT PP can best the previous Boss in lap times, then there is still room for a Hi-Po(GT350) model to best the 2015 GT PP in lap times and slot between that and the Top Dog(GT500) in both power and price.




I can't see the video you posted(blocked here at work) but if that's what I'm thinking of it's making 600hp with race fuel spinning 9,000+rpm through a full racing exhaust and all costing more than most of us spend on their entire car. None of that would make it to an OEM street car so we need to stay realistic.

Where does that leave the mach 1, where will that slot in the lineup?

The polestar v8 has a 7,500 rpm redline and runs on e85...
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...ars-championship/story-fnii0it1-1226825767468
A man can dream big right?

 

[jimmythepage666]

Also, to the people who claim a fpc v8 is unreasonable and won't make it into a production car for cost reasons. How would a gt350 that will cost less than $50k and have over 500 horsepower be reasonable? There isn't a single car on the market with that power for price, hell the c7 with 460hp has a $51k base.

 

[Grimace427]

Where does that leave the mach 1, where will that slot in the lineup?

At this point the Mach 1 is only a fan-based idea and not a single thing came from Ford suggesting it would be making a return, at least that I've heard/seen.

Also, to the people who claim a fpc v8 is unreasonable and won't make it into a production car for cost reasons. How would a gt350 that will cost less than $50k and have over 500 horsepower be reasonable? There isn't a single car on the market with that power for price, hell the c7 with 460hp has a $51k base.

I don't really care how much power the next-gen Hi-Po model will have(assuming it's taking the Boss's position in the lineup), only that it is more track-focused than the GT PP and not have overly expensive options(like CC brakes). If the GT came in a 450hp and the 'GT350' came in at 470hp I'd be perfectly happy. Estatic really if it cost less than $50,000.

 

[w3rkn]

Also, to the people who claim a fpc v8 is unreasonable and won't make it into a production car for cost reasons. How would a gt350 that will cost less than $50k and have over 500 horsepower be reasonable? There isn't a single car on the market with that power for price, hell the c7 with 460hp has a $51k base.

There is just no need for a FPC. These are the last years of big engines..

Forced Induction will be the future. Ford is not going to invest in a FPC, unless it trickles down into other variants. Such as a 4.0 V8, or EB derivative, etc..

But make zero mistake... Ford has already tipped it's hand on the future (and Mulally spelled it) out...
ECOBOOST.!


The next hi-power engines will be big-torque turbos from a 3.5/3.7 EB. Horsepower a nil factor when you just dial in whatever torque curve you want. Period!
IE:BMW uses the SAME 3.0 liter engine for EVERYTHING..!
(Just layers of tech.)


And Alan Mulally set/design Ford with the EB platform in mind, throughout.
Mark Fields is tasked with implementing it.
He is a Mustang guy & remember the Cosworth SVo..

So do I...


FPC is unnecessary.

 

[jimmythepage666]

At this point the Mach 1 is only a fan-based idea and not a single thing came from Ford suggesting it would be making a return, at least that I've heard/seen.




I don't really care how much power the next-gen Hi-Po model will have(assuming it's taking the Boss's position in the lineup), only that it is more track-focused than the GT PP and not have overly expensive options(like CC brakes). If the GT came in a 450hp and the 'GT350' came in at 470hp I'd be perfectly happy. Estatic really if it cost less than $50,000.

Sure, the mach 1 is just speculation at this point, but honestly so was the boss 302 returning before official info was released. People like you claimed it was just a rumor and probably wouldn't happen. Time will tell...

The mules have been spotted with cc brakes so it will likely be an option, brakes of that caliber would probably not be necessary for a car with 470hp. Regular drilled/slotted rotors would do the trick if that were the case. I find it very hard to believe ford would only separate the gt and gt350 by 20 horsepower, that opinion is honestly just as wild as any of the high horsepower rumors.

There is just no need for a FPC. These are the last years of big engines..

Forced Induction will be the future. Ford is not going to invest in a FPC, unless it trickles down into other variants. Such as a 4.0 V8, or EB derivative, etc..

But make zero mistake... Ford has already tipped it's hand on the future (and Mulally spelled it) out...
ECOBOOST.!


The next hi-power engines will be big-torque turbos from a 3.5/3.7 EB. Horsepower a nil factor when you just dial in whatever torque curve you want. Period!
IE:BMW uses the SAME 3.0 liter engine for EVERYTHING..!
(Just layers of tech.)


And Alan Mulally set/design Ford with the EB platform in mind, throughout.
Mark Fields is tasked with implementing it.
He is a Mustang guy & remember the Cosworth SVo..

So do I...


FPC is unnecessary.

Agreed engine tech will trickle down, as ford and multimatic plan to race, perhaps a fpc v8 will be used in the racing cars and will trickle down to the special models i.e gt350.

 

[Grimace427]

The mules have been spotted with cc brakes so it will likely be an option, brakes of that caliber would probably not be necessary for a car with 470hp. Regular drilled/slotted rotors would do the trick if that were the case. I find it very hard to believe ford would only separate the gt and gt350 by 20 horsepower, that opinion is honestly just as wild as any of the high horsepower rumors.

The 2012 GT500 was spotted running Nurburgring with CC brakes and the production model never got them. The Boss had only a 24hp bump over the regular GT.

 

[jimmythepage666]

The 2012 GT500 was spotted running Nurburgring with CC brakes and the production model never got them. The Boss had only a 24hp bump over the regular GT.

That's assuming the gt350 is indeed a boss replacement, and that the 2016/2017 mach 1 is vaporware and wont slot between the gt and gt350 power/price wise. Your guess is as good as mine.

I think there was a lesson learned about the cc brakes on the gt500, the 2013/2014's certainly could have used them as brake fade was a common complaint for that model, which hit very high speeds on the track. Not to mention chevy's shiny new z28 features cc brakes and has set the performance bar for domestic pony cars. The classic iconic battle was z28 and gt350, Ford will need to bring their A-game to trounce the competitor. I have a winning spirit and just want to see ford squash the competition.

 

[Grimace427]

That's assuming the gt350 is indeed a boss replacement, and that the 2016/2017 mach 1 is vaporware and wont slot between the gt and gt350 power/price wise. Your guess is as good as mine.

I think there was a lesson learned about the cc brakes on the gt500, the 2013/2014's certainly could have used them as brake fade was a common complaint for that model, which hit very high speeds on the track. Not to mention chevy's shiny new z28 features cc brakes and has set the performance bar for domestic pony cars.

I'm hoping it's a Boss replacement, as anything more would be too expensive.

The '13-14 GT500 didn't need CC brakes, just a more track-focused brake pad compound and better fluid. Guys who've actually tracked the GT500(Revan Racing among others) completely eliminated brake issues with only pad and fluid changes.


I don't think there will be a Mach 1 at all. I'm guessing a GT350(Boss replacement) and a GT500 or a return of the Cobra as the top dog with an Ecoboost V8 and all of the hi-performance options(CC brakes, advanced suspension, etc).

The classic iconic battle was z28 and gt350, Ford will need to bring their A-game to trounce the competitor. I have a winning spirit and just want to see ford squash the competition.

This will happen on the racetrack where the Z/28 loses it's LS7 and it's CC brakes. The Rulebook will determine how competitive these cars can be.

 

[jimmythepage666]

I'm hoping it's a Boss replacement, as anything more would be too expensive.

The '13-14 GT500 didn't need CC brakes, just a more track-focused brake pad compound and better fluid. Guys who've actually tracked the GT500(Revan Racing among others) completely eliminated brake issues with only pad and fluid changes.


I don't think there will be a Mach 1 at all. I'm guessing a GT350(Boss replacement) and a GT500 or a return of the Cobra as the top dog with an Ecoboost V8 and all of the hi-performance options(CC brakes, advanced suspension, etc).





This will happen on the racetrack where the Z/28 loses it's LS7 and it's CC brakes. The Rulebook will determine how competitive these cars can be.

I'm very familiar with revan racing and the videos of van taking a gt500 to the track against Erik in his ZL1 (I was rooting for the 2013 since the first rumors), but wouldn't cc brakes reduce fade even more than just a pad/fluid swap? I would have liked to see it as an option for a car that has 662 hp and goes over 200 mph, it would have made the car more competitive and formidable IMO.

Despite rule books, and real racing, street cred is also important. A lot of it has to do with image, a gt350 with cc brakes and 600 hp would be a serious threat to a lot of cars. I don't think cc brakes should be standard for competitive racing reasons, but the option would be great for those who want to wail on the z28.

I have my hopes set high for the gt350/gt500-a lowly boss replacement wearing the gt350 nameplate would be a disappointment to me. The gt500 should be the ultimate performance mustang, a lightweight 2 seat option to battle the z06 is what I have in mind... The mustang will need to be Ford's halo car, especially if they don't build a new supercar ala Ford gt. I'm a fanboy for sure I want to see ford and the mustang be serious and kick some ass. They are selling this car globally now, this dominating performance idea will sell some freakin' cars.

Also I know the gt pp may seem irrelevant in this conversation, but if it exceeds boss performance and comes in under $40k it could be the option you are looking for, griamce. It may not be a special edition with a classic name plate, but it will be the real deal seeing those 6 pot brakes, IRS, and as much as 475 hp based on what I hope for (and one of those ridiculous rumors).

 

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This thread has veered way too far off-topic. If you want to discuss weight, there are plenty of threads for that.

Let's get back on track.

 

[jimmythepage666]

I just want to see ford build a car that I would want to buy used a year or two down the road honestly.... I'm not in a position to buy a mustang anyways, I love the truck too damn much. I actually traded a 2012 brembo 5.0 yellow blaze metallic for it, the girlfriend has a dog who goes everywhere with her, the fold up seats in the raptor make that easier (she won't let me put her dog in the bed haha). Plus the raptor is comfy and only gets slightly worse MPG than the 5.0 did with the mods. Off road it is a dream.

Anyways... The gt350 at $60-70k could be had much cheaper used, even with options like the cc brakes. That is likely how I will go about getting the gt350.

 

[Pablo GT350]

Most people here think I am wrong though.

You are finally right about something:amen:

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