GT350 Engine/Oil Usage/Fix thread.

[Zitrosounds]

For posterity, my original engine, may she rest in peace, consumed oil at the rate of approximately 1qt every 1k miles. I know have a new engine and just went over the 1k break in (time for oil change) and she also uses about 1qt and the 1k mark. Both engines I checked the oil when new and regularly. First engine had a little over 5k miles and the 2nd has a little over 1k. I am not concerned as I am intimately familiar with the internal combustion engine. All engine consume oil, its the nature of the best. Some more than others and the 5.2L Voodoo is obviously the former.
"Unfortunately, manufacturers don't provide uniform guidance on this issue, so what might be normal for one engine could be excessive for another. For example, BMW tells owners it's normal for some of its engines to burn a quart of oil in less than a thousand miles" Read more at https://www.cars.com/articles/how-much-oil-consumption-is-normal-1420682864535/#MkATlrMjRwKtGGTp.99

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[MCarsFan]

For posterity, my original engine, may she rest in peace, consumed oil at the rate of approximately 1qt every 1k miles. I know have a new engine and just went over the 1k break in (time for oil change) and she also uses about 1qt and the 1k mark. Both engines I checked the oil when new and regularly. First engine had a little over 5k miles and the 2nd has a little over 1k. I am not concerned as I am intimately familiar with the internal combustion engine. All engine consume oil, its the nature of the best. Some more than others and the 5.2L Voodoo is obviously the former.
"Unfortunately, manufacturers don't provide uniform guidance on this issue, so what might be normal for one engine could be excessive for another. For example, BMW tells owners it's normal for some of its engines to burn a quart of oil in less than a thousand miles" Read more at https://www.cars.com/articles/how-much-oil-consumption-is-normal-1420682864535/#MkATlrMjRwKtGGTp.99

Bmw says 1 qt of oil per 750 km is okay for the M5.

My personal experience:

- If I redline my M5 at least a few times per day, car literally consumes 0 oil. Car has 32,000 miles now. This is no drop in oil level per 7,000 miles.
- If I dont redline it and drive it on D/efficient, guess what it asks for oil (1 qt) every 3,000 miles.

Have gone through this numerous times with this car. I think redlining these engines do help with oil consumption.

 

[superman07]

What shocks me is a lack of understanding, guidance, and practice in place within Ford to understand, communicate, and mage the oil consumption traits of their own engine, and the ability to execute on a strategy to inform customers and keep these engines running through 3-5k intervals with proper fluid levels.

But wait, this is just the customers fault too right. How about telling customers that might have purchased this as their first true performance car that hey, top off your oil ever other fill up. Is that so hard.

 

[unavailableGT350]

What shocks me is a lack of understanding, guidance, and practice in place within Ford to understand, communicate, and mage the oil consumption traits of their own engine, and the ability to execute on a strategy to inform customers and keep these engines running through 3-5k intervals with proper fluid levels.

But wait, this is just the customers fault too right. How about telling customers that might have purchased this as their first true performance car that hey, top off your oil ever other fill up. Is that so hard.

I hear ya, about engine maintenance. But, if we are talking about a proven engine record with 6+ years of service as the Coyote and the kinks worked out, then yes it would be the customers fault. But, but...this is an unproven engine. This engine has just been "born" from basically the Coyote engine block. There has never been a motor with a Flat Plane Crank or this high revving pretty much in U.S. history for the public. So, a lot is not known and will not be for awhile. I am just treading water until this engine can float on its own.

But, I have always wanted to get the "1st year made" of a car so maybe down the road they will say, "wow that 1st year GT350 was the best one made"..... Like the '65!!

It is actually kind of exciting...

 

[Blue Raptor]

I hear ya, about engine maintenance. But, if we are talking about a proven engine record with 6+ years of service as the Coyote and the kinks worked out, then yes it would be the customers fault. But, but...this is an unproven engine. This engine has just been "born" from basically the Coyote engine block. There has never been a motor with a Flat Plane Crank or this high revving pretty much in U.S. history for the public. So, a lot is not known and will not be for awhile. I am just treading water until this engine can float on its own.

But, I have always wanted to get the "1st year made" of a car so maybe down the road they will say, "wow that 1st year GT350 was the best one made"..... Like the '65!!

It is actually kind of exciting...

You do know that 2015 was the first year for the GT350 right?

 

[unavailableGT350]

You do know that 2015 was the first year for the GT350 right?

Of course....but that was just so Ford could say that there was one in 2015.

 

[Zitrosounds]

You do know that 2015 was the first year for the GT350 right?

It really is a 16 with allocations for the 2015 year VIN. I could also say mine is a 15 since it was built in December of 2015. Still It's the first year for the car. Technicality.

 

[Zitrosounds]

What shocks me is a lack of understanding, guidance, and practice in place within Ford to understand, communicate, and mage the oil consumption traits of their own engine, and the ability to execute on a strategy to inform customers and keep these engines running through 3-5k intervals with proper fluid levels.

But wait, this is just the customers fault too right. How about telling customers that might have purchased this as their first true performance car that hey, top off your oil ever other fill up. Is that so hard.

Supplement tells you to check oil every month SMH

 

[mattlqx]

Anybody that says MY2015 was the first year for the GT350 has fallen for the marketing hook, line and sinker.

 

[Minn19]

Supplement tells you to check oil every month SMH

I did that more often without reading the manual.

But, I agree with his overall point, Ford or FP doesn't give a lot of info as to what to expect with oil usage etc. Even with my entire saga they still don't want to talk about it and I tried. I didn't want my engine replaced and I figured they'd want to try and save 15k or whatever their bill is. But nope, all I got through a lot of effort was it's a quart every 1500 miles (which doesn't sound accurate) and to replace it. They wouldn't let the dealer do hardly any testing at all on it and they said don't use any break in oil or change how I broke it in. :headbonk:

They say it was just a batch of engines between such and such date and now the new ones don't have excessive oil usage. I'm obviously very skeptical.

 

[Zitrosounds]

I did that more often without reading the manual.

But, I agree with his overall point, Ford or FP doesn't give a lot of info as to what to expect with oil usage etc. Even with my entire saga they still don't want to talk about it and I tried. I didn't want my engine replaced and I figured they'd want to try and save 15k or whatever their bill is. But nope, all I got through a lot of effort was it's a quart every 1500 miles (which doesn't sound accurate) and to replace it. They wouldn't let the dealer do hardly any testing at all on it and they said don't use any break in oil or change how I broke it in. :headbonk:

They say it was just a batch of engines between such and such date and now the new ones don't have excessive oil usage. I'm obviously very skeptical.

I call bull! They are telling you whatever they think will get you to stop seeing this as a problem. You are well within your right to hold them accountable for what you believe is an issue. However, this engine and many engine consume oil. It could be worse and you could deal with the headaches rotary engine owners have. I have a brand new engine built in November 2016 and it uses oil.

 

[Zitrosounds]

I call bull! They are telling you whatever they think will get you to stop seeing this as a problem. You are well within your right to hold them accountable for what you believe is an issue. However, this engine and many engine consume oil. It could be worse and you could deal with the headaches rotary engine owners have. I have a brand new engine built in November 2016 and it uses oil.

Ford does not and will not come out and publicly say this or any of their engines use oil outside of their tolerance. Think about it. Here is a good read on the Subject Minn19 if you plan on seeing your case through.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/06/excessive-oil-consumption/index.htm

 

[Voodooo]

The voodoo uses low tension rings for little friction. When the engine is used at lower rpm (normal street driving) ring seal is not optimized. It's not until higher rpm (spirited/ racing) that the rings make its tightest seal. If ford (Mahle) were to of made the pistons gas ported this would of help with ring sealing. And could of helped oil consumption.

 

[Minn19]

Ford does not and will not come out and publicly say this or any of their engines use oil outside of their tolerance. Think about it. Here is a good read on the Subject Minn19 if you plan on seeing your case through.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/06/excessive-oil-consumption/index.htm

I'm not planning on lemoning it unless this engine (or something else major goes bad).

I can see why they do it even though other companies have, such as the often cited BMW example.

All I'm saying is as an enthusiast and a concerned owner, I tried to have a reasonable conversation with them that would/could have been mutually beneficial. They chose not to for whatever reason and this is one of the major reasons this experience has been more of a headache than it needed to be. Ford/FPs communication sucks on a lot of fronts.

I also don't see why Ford or the dealer couldn't give a heads up that due to this engine's characteristics, it is most likely going to burn more oil than most are used to. I haven't read the line in the manual, but just saying check the oil once month is extremely vague. Also, it isn't correct as a lot of people will go a couple of thousand miles in a month and find themselves in a lot of trouble if they follow the manual's recommendation.

 

[jasonstang]

The voodoo uses low tension rings for little friction. When the engine is used at lower rpm (normal street driving) ring seal is not optimized. It's not until higher rpm (spirited/ racing) that the rings make its tightest seal. If ford (Mahle) were to of made the pistons gas ported this would of help with ring sealing. And could of helped oil consumption.

Pretty much most high performance high revving engines burn some oil under normal use. It's just part of the design so that the pistons wont expand to a point of damaging cylinder walls under extreme heat.

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