GT PP Brake Pad Options

[2Cool]

For you and H1 - maybe not. It takes a finite amount of time to move the brake pedal far enough and from there build up enough pressure between the pads and the discs before ABS has any interest at all in what's happening, and this does translate to distance. This might be two or three feet or maybe only one, but there are times when that's enough to really matter, and I'll guarantee that at such times you won't be thinking about how clean and shiny your wheels are.

When you step up from everyday street pads to a track pad, this is something you can feel right away (going in the 'good' direction, where you can clearly feel the pads 'bite solidly' a little sooner). I can tell you in no uncertain terms that I would never want to drop back in the 'bad' direction and give up any braking performance . . . for appearance sake.

Remember, I've been there.


Norm

I have done my share of NASA and HPDE days, as well as Solo enough to win several central FL district championships. I have tried a lot of pads. And I prefer ceramics for daily use.

Please don't give people the impression that running a race pad, that is absolute crap without a significant amount of temperature in it, is a step in the "good" direction. Otherwise you will have people pulling out of their garages, running up to speed and suddenly needing to panic stop, only to find that cold performance pads are not much better than no brakes at all.

A lot of OEMs use ceramic pads, for durability, low noise, and low dusting. Pretty sure they aren't risking their customers just to avoid complaints about brake dust.

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[dwaleke]

There are also good and bad performing ceramic based compounds.

Look at Carbotech Bobcat for the street. Low noise, low dust, and usually improved braking performance compared to many oem pads.

 

[Schu]

I have done my share of NASA and HPDE days, as well as Solo enough to win several central FL district championships. I have tried a lot of pads. And I prefer ceramics for daily use.

Please don't give people the impression that running a race pad, that is absolute crap without a significant amount of temperature in it, is a step in the "good" direction. Otherwise you will have people pulling out of their garages, running up to speed and suddenly needing to panic stop, only to find that cold performance pads are not much better than no brakes at all.

A lot of OEMs use ceramic pads, for durability, low noise, and low dusting. Pretty sure they aren't risking their customers just to avoid complaints about brake dust.

Pretty much this... if your getting into situations on the street where the only difference between impact and "honey I'm home", then someone needs to learn how to drive defensively and more effectively.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I have done my share of NASA and HPDE days, as well as Solo enough to win several central FL district championships. I have tried a lot of pads. And I prefer ceramics for daily use.

I'm not suggesting XP20's or anything like that. But XP8's and XP10's do have sufficient cold bite for street use at least in the climate where I live (NJ, near Philly) - and I'd specifically had concerns about street driving on the 10's going in.

Trust me, if I'd experienced any shortcomings with either set of XP's, I'd have posted differently. I already discourage the use of HP+ on the basis of serious rotor wear (much worse than the XP's).

What I was mostly trying to point out is that you can't know the difference that different pads can make until you experience both, and that while dust is the easy thing to truly understand on a gut-level, better bite isn't.

It's easy to say you don't mind sacrificing braking performance until you suddenly need it and it's not there (yes, I know that applies to track pads as well). You can't see it like you can dust, you have to experience it.

I'd be a whole lot more inclined to swap pads myself if the rear brakes in particular were easier to deal with. And I'd likely run AX6's on the street at least through the winter and any other extended absences from the track.


As for the dust issue, as long as it only takes a minute or so to clean each wheel up a bit, I don't fully understand the griping about the OE pads.

Before and after pictures, taken within the past hour. There's one track day (with a new PB set) and a thousand or so street miles worth of XP10 dust and winter street crud showing in the 'Before' picture. I could have been fussier, but that's all the ambition I had today for that kind of work.

Norm

 

[2Cool]

The buildup you show for a track day and a thousand miles is less than I see with driving a hundred miles during a week. Seriously, the stock pads are amazingly dusty.

A happy medium would work for me, some Hawk ceramics or a semi-metallic pad that still has good performance but does not make me feel like Pigpen after one day driving 11 miles to work and back.

 

[Norm Peterson]

The buildup you show for a track day and a thousand miles is less than I see with driving a hundred miles during a week. Seriously, the stock pads are amazingly dusty.

That's just nuts, OE pads being that much dustier than the first two steps of a pad mfr's track pad series. Although S550 owners are by no means alone in having this complaint - it's a pretty common gripe over on Camaro5.com too.

Carbotech does describe their pads thusly . . .

Like our AX™ & XP™ line of compounds, Bobcat 1521™ is a Ceramic based friction material offering minimal rotor damage and non corrosive dust.

so maybe there's less difference between what I've been running and what you'd like to use.


Only a little off topic, but the times when I have noticed cold bite with the XPs being the 'softest' was on the first couple of stops on leaving the hotel the day after a track outing, but that clears right up. Which sounds like a hint to move up another notch at least on the fronts (with due caution all over again at least initially).


Norm

 

[Ruby305GT]

Norm - I understand your concerns and see where you are coming from, but in all honesty for street use, I can almost be positive a performance or high quality ceramic will outperform the cheap dusty pad it came with OEM. When ABS engages, it's all the same because you've already engaged the assist and are beyond what your tires can handle. Braking not only comes down to tires, but suspension and discs as well. While I do appreciate the info, again I think it to be a bit much. It's like saying Nike shoes make you jump higher than reebok.... Honestly the difference is so negligible that it won't be life threatening.


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[Norm Peterson]

If I hadn't had a couple of incidents over the years where less than a foot longer stopping distance would have meant an accident claim, I wouldn't perhaps be quite as unwilling to see people so easily trade braking distance for appearance. I do understand the tech, in somewhat greater depth than just "when ABS happens the driver has done all he can do".


Norm

 

[Ruby305GT]

If I hadn't had a couple of incidents over the years where less than a foot longer stopping distance would have meant an accident claim, I wouldn't perhaps be quite as unwilling to see people so easily trade braking distance for appearance. I do understand the tech, in somewhat greater depth than just "when ABS happens the driver has done all he can do".


Norm

If your reaction would have been quicker, that one foot would have prevented that as well. If the tires were at temperature it would have stopped faster, if the ambient temperature was lower and allowed less fade/heat... All "if's", as I said, I understand your point and don't negate it, but at that point the accident was meant to happen and out of your hands.


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[Barrel]

The buildup you show for a track day and a thousand miles is less than I see with driving a hundred miles during a week. Seriously, the stock pads are amazingly dusty.

This isn't an exaggeration. My wheels are FILTHY after two days of commuting into the city. The dust completely obscures the metallic flake in the powdercoat. I've also noticed that my paint is also covered in fine black particluate as well from the brakes. It's unreal the amount of dust coming off these pads. I'm thinking they won't last very long at this rate. Hoping there's a good alternative soon.

 

[M3Convert]

I was in touch with Zeckhausen asking about race pads for the GT PP brakes, they responded (very quickly) with this. I wondered if the calipers were the same as for the GT500

"The factory front and rear pads are different in yours than the last gen GT500.

The 2014 used D1465 front pad shape, while yours uses the new D1792. I don't yet have any diagrams for the new front pad shape, but it's possible it is the same as earlier pads, but just has some additional features that wouldn't matter for a race pad, such as vibration-damping weights to cut down on brake squeal.

The rear for all 2015 Mustang models uses the D1793 pad shape, also new.

At this time, I don't have any track or street pads for either shape. Obviously this is a high priority application, as these are likely to see track time this summer. We're working on it and will update the website the moment we have anything.

You might want to check this link frequently:
http://store.zeckhausen.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=11_90

Sincerely,
David Zeckhausen
President, Zeckhausen Racing
(800)222-8893 x1
www.zeckhausen.com

 

[StoneRT]

Anyone have an update on available pads yet?


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[Ruby305GT]

I hope so, been waiting for this..


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[Anthony@HTM]

Anyone have an update on available pads yet?


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I hope so, been waiting for this..


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Hey guys I carry Ferodo DS2500(street/light track) and Ferodo DS1.11 (track only).

PM me for pricing.

I've been running the DS2500 for a month now and they are silent on the street but bite very hard!

 

[Norm Peterson]

As of 30 April 2015, Carbotech claims to have front pads (with pricing) for the EBPP and the GT non-PP. Still no listings for GTPP or any rear pads :( .

Mustang - 2015-2015 Ecoboost w/Performance Pckg, Base GT w/o Performance Pckg. F: CTFS550

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