Got a bit sideways tonight...

[OzS550]

Damp road, right turn and some throttle on the way out of the corner and suddenly the rear end stepped out.

Off the throttle and some opposite lock and after what seemed a long time but was probably a second or two, I had it back under control.

I initially congratulated myself but thinking about it I could feel a sensation like ABS whilst it was going sideways, so now I'm wondering what electronic angels were looking after me?

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[Drewbo]

I could feel a sensation like ABS whilst it was going sideways

Perhaps it was your bottom pulsating.

:shrug:

 

[dave-]

Doesn't take much but then again the stock Pirelli's are pretty crap in this Melbourne weather. My ute is way more planted which is rather surprising.

 

[Fieldsey]

Was your sideways something like this

 

[OzS550]

^^^ no came of the power straight away but didn't touch the brake.

Was it stability control I was feeling? Can our cars detect yaw and apply individual brakes to compensate or was it just the rear tyre blocks screaming?

 

[Aus-MustangGT]

^^^ no came of the power straight away but didn't touch the brake.

Was it stability control I was feeling? Can our cars detect yaw and apply individual brakes to compensate or was it just the rear tyre blocks screaming?

Probably both but would more likely be the stability control.

When you upgrade your tyres it is good to switch that off and to have some nice controllable fun on a private road

 

[G RUSH]

The stock traction and ESP systems are very relaxed and slow to respond.

My 86 was completely different and the fun brigade came in way early, the mustang is happily sideways at a fair angle before anything kicks in.

 

[rm_stang]

I've had the back out a couple of times on private roads and in private car parks. The Pirelli's might not be the greatest for road safety and grip, but they're certainly useful for a bit of fun.

TC is always off for me regardless (unless we're talking about driving during a proper Melbourne deluge, and then I'm in wet/snow mode as well). With daily driving I just don't be a dickhead and plant my foot.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

When you upgrade your tyres it is good to switch that off and to have some nice controllable fun on a private road

You sure?

Changing tires isn't going to make anyone better at feeling the limits of tires or roads it will just raise the limits which makes going over them even more dangerous.

Drivers should raise their limits, not the tires' before turning the nannies off. The best driving schools artificially LOWER traction to help learn to feel and recover from loss of traction of any tire or combo of tires.

 

[Yeah Nah]

I initially congratulated myself but thinking about it I could feel a sensation like ABS whilst it was going sideways, so now I'm wondering what electronic angels were looking after me?

Traction control brother.

I had an experience last night. This was a left sweeping turn. Sitting at the lights, late at night, no one around, lights turn green, boot it in 1st gear and the beast just launched like a rocket. Shit myself for a millisecond thinking I was going to lose it. Came out of the turn thinking how well it stuck to the ground. If traction control was off then I just don't want to think what the poles and trees would have been wearing.

 

[w0rt3x]

Lucky there were no crowds nearby!

 

[OzS550]

Traction control brother.

I had an experience last night. This was a left sweeping turn. Sitting at the lights, late at night, no one around, lights turn green, boot it in 1st gear and the beast just launched like a rocket. Shit myself for a millisecond thinking I was going to lose it. Came out of the turn thinking how well it stuck to the ground. If traction control was off then I just don't want to think what the poles and trees would have been wearing.

I agree some electronic fairies where at play but I would have thought traction control modulated power where wheel spin is detected under linear acceleration.

This was oversteer initiated where engine power and lateral load on the rear tyres exceeded their grip on the damp road.

I came off the power and the car did not immediately step back into line but maintained the overseer attitude for awhile whilst I steered with 'opposite lock' where I wanted the car to go. Lucky the front tyres maintained grip.

What I was questioning is the odd ABS like sensation I felt and if our cars have a trick stability control where individual brakes are applied by the ECU where it detects dangerous yaw angles.

I've come from 12 years of AWD (WRX STi and Liberty STi) and was a bit shocked how easily the rear stepped out last night.

 

[Unkle Ed]

What I was questioning is the odd ABS like sensation I felt and if our cars have a trick stability control where individual brakes are applied by the ECU where it detects dangerous yaw angles.

What you experienced was the stability control in action. All new vehicles sold in Australia have to have ESC these days and they all pull the car back into line if excessive yaw and a non correcting steering angle is detected by using the brakes to steer the car back into line.

 

[GoBlues38]

What you experienced was the stability control in action. All new vehicles sold in Australia have to have ESC these days and they all pull the car back into line if excessive yaw and a non correcting steering angle is detected by using the brakes to steer the car back into line.

And if you were in sport+ mode, it will let it step out quite a bit before catching.

 

[Aus-MustangGT]

You sure?

Changing tires isn't going to make anyone better at feeling the limits of tires or roads it will just raise the limits which makes going over them even more dangerous.

Drivers should raise their limits, not the tires' before turning the nannies off. The best driving schools artificially LOWER traction to help learn to feel and recover from loss of traction of any tire or combo of tires.

The Pirelli's were almost uncontrollable, they constantly lost traction even when not intending to, early on I lost traction going up a hill in 3rd gear around 2,000rpm.

Giving more traction definitely helps feel the car more and knowing where my limits and where the cars limits intercept.

Yeah I could put some stockies on it like a VT Commodore (read crappy tyres to do burn outs for Non Australian's) but I don't always want to be stepping out.

Either way tyres make a massive difference to how the car is controlled

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