GM is pulling back on EVs

[tripleyellowmustang]

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/electric-cars-are-a-tough-sell-for-dealers

Electric cars are a tough sell for dealers of this legendary luxury brand
One dealer says that the brand’s electric models ‘are not something people aspire to own.’

“In a report published by Automotive News, Mercedes-Benz (DDAIF) dealers in the United States are really struggling to sell the German marque’s line of electric vehicles.”

“Dealer representatives blamed their stockpiles of EVs on the vehicles themselves as well as Mercedes’ unwillingness to adjust prices or enact sales to move cars and adapt to the competition.

One dealer said that he had a six-month supply of EVs on his lot, but only a 50-day supply of gas-powered models.”

“Mercedes said that they are planning to slow down production of its higher-end EQ models while increasing production of lower-priced EQ models, plug-in hybrids and regular gas cars.”

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[sk47]

Is EV Demand Really Shrinking? It’s Complicated (msn.com)
Hello; did a quick read to see if there is a worthy story included. Someone else will have to decipher this. Some twists and turns do make it complicated.
Perhaps our jtmat can tease it out for us???

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Is EV Demand Really Shrinking? It’s Complicated (msn.com)
Hello; did a quick read to see if there is a worthy story included. Someone else will have to decipher this. Some twists and turns do make it complicated.
Perhaps our jtmat can tease it out for us???

My take is that % increase of sales statistics, used in the article, can be misleading and easily manipulated.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/10/22/cybertruck-ford-gm-ev-pickup-trucks-demand/

“‘Brands like Chevrolet, Ford, and GMC made assumptions about what percentage of their future truck sales would be electric trucks. It’s clear those assumptions were unrealistic based on the current and near-term future demand for these models,‘ iSeeCars analyst and longtime industry watcher Karl Brauer said to Yahoo Finance.

Brauer noted electric trucks, compared to standard EVs, cost more up front and require an even larger dedicated space to store and charge. ‘Now roll in their compromised real-world functionality, with shorter ranges even before adding passengers, payload, or a trailer, and your potential buyers get pretty scarce compared to tractional trucks,’ he said.”

 

[gone_n_60]

and piling on....
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/electric-vehicles-lots-of-fire/

 

[Gregs24]

and piling on....
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/electric-vehicles-lots-of-fire/

An odd headline when it is well known that EV's are much less likely to catch fire than ICE cars as the article points out

There’s one thing that should be emphasized. Electric Vehicles (EVs) are not more likely to catch fire than internal combustion engine cars

And then every anti-EV's campaigners sudden attack of fake compassion:

Then there’s the small matter of the child labor involved in the “artisanal” mining of the cobalt needed in the EV supply chain.

When the reality is nothing like as suggested, and with Toyota confirming their first solid state battery car will be available in 2025 soon to be irrelevant anyway. I wonder if those so concerned about child labor (sic) think twice when buying a new mobile phone?

 

[Gregs24]

Brake dust gives off 13% more pollution than exhaust fumes. I don’t see any tree huggers removing their brake pads to save the planet.

Brakes and tyre 'dust' is indeed a significant pollutant, but not one that causes global warming. I would love to see the reference for your comment, but assume it is particulates from petrol engines compared to brake dust? Really would help if you could provide the link for us.

 

[sk47]

Brakes and tyre 'dust' is indeed a significant pollutant, but not one that causes global warming.

Hello; One of my repeated sayings is EV's will replace one sort of pollution for another type. I wonder if the manufacture of the tires and brakes in greater volumes for the heavier EV's will produce more warming emissions? My bet its yes it will. Yet another thing to check up on.

 

[K4fxd]

This guy gets it. One of the comments from the link.


BPax

5h

To those paying attention, the central planners obviously see a transportation future that's radically different than we have today. Most will not own a car. The lower strata will take buses. You will call up a self-driving drone/car to take you where you want to go. The elites will blow by you on your electric scooter in their luxury EV's, possibly Gavin Newsome on his way to The French Laundry!
Davos says you will own nothing and be happy. It's the Soviet system coming to our shores. More voters need to pay attention and ask questions. While India and China pollute to their hearts content, we are making ourselves poorer and less free.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

An odd headline when it is well known that EV's are much less likely to catch fire than ICE cars as the article points out

There’s one thing that should be emphasized. Electric Vehicles (EVs) are not more likely to catch fire than internal combustion engine cars

And then every anti-EV's campaigners sudden attack of fake compassion:

Then there’s the small matter of the child labor involved in the “artisanal” mining of the cobalt needed in the EV supply chain.

When the reality is nothing like as suggested, and with Toyota confirming their first solid state battery car will be available in 2025 soon to be irrelevant anyway. I wonder if those so concerned about child labor (sic) think twice when buying a new mobile phone?

You are so full of it and still talking out your blow hole.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/toyota-inks-deal-to-mass-produce-solid-state-ev-batteries-with-932-mile

“Toyota laid out a three-phase plan toward a goal of commercializing solid-state batteries by 2027-2028. However, that doesn't mean solid-state EVs will be widely available at that time, as "full-scale mass production" will begin after. It also remains to be seen what markets Toyota would launch them in, and how much they would cost. They are likely to be more expensive, and remain that way for years, Reuters predicts.”

https://insideevs.com/news/460244/toyota-solid-state-battery-detailed/

“Both manufacturers are being helped by the Japanese government that has put together a $19.2-billion fund to support companies doing research in this field. Solid state batteries still need lithium to work, so even with a complete shift form current battery tech to solid state, we won’t escape the need to keep mining this element. The Japanese government will also help companies with procuring lithium, given the fact that the element is in limited global supply.”

 

[sk47]

Electric Cars Are Just an ‘Impossible Dream,’ New Research Shows Why (msn.com)

Anew study by the Manhattan Institute shows that while electric cars may be a good idea, we actually don’t know if they will be as green as we may think. The only thing we know right now is speculation, and Mark P. Mills broke down all the details for us in his report titled, “Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream.”

Electric vehicles (EVs) have been hailed as the superhero to the rescue to reduce carbon emissions. But this issue is that we actually don’t yet know what effect EVs will have on the environment. We can speculate, run numbers, and cross our fingers, but we don’t know what we’re getting into until the electric vehicle revolution plays out and we have some actual, hard data on the matter.

Mills broke it down simply when he wrote, “Every claim for EVs reducing emissions is a rough estimate or an outright guess based on averages, approximations, or aspirations.”

 

[key01]

and piling on....
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/electric-vehicles-lots-of-fire/

“National Review is an American conservative-right-libertarian editorial magazine, focusing on news and commentary pieces on political, social, and cultural affairs. “

uh, yeah. Couldn’t expect much less of these folk.

 

[K4fxd]

uh, yeah. Couldn’t expect much less of these folk.

As always, when you can't refute the facts, attack the source.

 

[gone_n_60]

“National Review is an American conservative-right-libertarian editorial magazine, focusing on news and commentary pieces on political, social, and cultural affairs. “

uh, yeah. Couldn’t expect much less of these folk.

That's fair. The start of the thread begins with references to widely reported news that GM and Ford are dialing back their EV plans because they are in the business to sell vehicles and make money. Their market plans so far are falling short (reported news many sources), dealers don't want more inventory and the truck segment is proving very hard to sell EV's too.

I respect that slanted sources have an agenda but sometimes there are granules of truth in there.

IMHO (oldie) I would prefer the next technology comes organically as money and tastes moves over to the new tech whatever it is and not have gov'ts around the world trying to "make" us adopt it.

 

[Vlad Soare]

An odd headline when it is well known that EV's are much less likely to catch fire than ICE cars as the article points out

You and the other EV advocates keep repeating this like a broken record, while conveniently leaving out the fact that ICE cars never catch fire when parked and left unattended. I don't care if my car catches fire while I'm driving it, because I can simply get out and let it burn, and my insurance will take care of the rest. But I would very much care if it were to catch fire during the night and burn my house down while my family and I were asleep. You're a smart guy, so I'm pretty sure you can see the difference. You're just ignoring it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

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