GM is pulling back on EVs

[jtmat]

Burkley is that you?

Yes. Although in this version of him don't have a Ducati and don't live in Australia, mate.

I never said you were stupid, but you make a good case for yourself.

Maybe stop thinking everyone is stupid.

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[sk47]

It is interesting watching how people maneuver and how gullible people eat it up without researching first.

https://www.thefp.com/p/i-overhyped-climate-change-to-get-published

I left academia over a year ago, partially because I felt the pressures put on academic scientists caused too much of the research to be distorted. Now, as a member of a private nonprofit research center, The Breakthrough Institute, I feel much less pressure to mold my research to the preferences of prominent journal editors and the rest of the field.

I don't think the mainstream will destroy him. Sounds like he is still towing the line, if you read his new paper. He seems to not like the process. Nature of course has pushed back:

Hello; Methinks you miss important points. Of course he would not have exposed the corrupted system had he still been directly involved/enmeshed with the system.
You even include his comment about feeling "much less pressure", apparently without an understanding of what the comment means.

Dr Magdalena Skipper, the Editor in Chief of Nature, disputed the accusations and pointed to recent studies that did not show the alleged editorial biases – including a paper that concluded a rise in carbon emissions in the Amazon was due to a decline in law enforcement.She also said that peer reviewers of Dr Brown’s work had suggested taking other variables into account, but the authors had argued against their inclusion.“The only thing in Patrick Brown’s statements about the editorial processes in scholarly journals that we agree on is that science should not work through the efforts by which he published this article,” she said.“We have an expectation that researchers use the most appropriate data and methods when assessing these data, and that they include all key facts and results that are relevant to the main conclusions of a paper.“When researchers do not do so, it goes against the interests of both fellow researchers and the research field as a whole. To deliberately not do so is, at best, highly irresponsible.“We are now carefully considering the implications of his stated actions; certainly, they reflect poor research practices and are not in line with the standards we set for our journal.”

Hello; I am going to guess you (jtmat) have not been told off politely. The language is not severe, but is a _ _ _ _ _ you message nonetheless. He is now done. membership in the club cancelled.

 

[Mitch03]

Yes. Although in this version of him don't have a Ducati and don't live in Australia, mate.

Yep. The same DF non the less.…..

 

[jtmat]

Hello; Methinks you miss important points. Of course he would not have exposed the corrupted system had he still been directly involved/enmeshed with the system.
You even include his comment about feeling "much less pressure", apparently without an understanding of what the comment means.

Hello; I am going to guess you (jtmat) have not been told off politely. The language is not severe, but is a _ _ _ _ _ you message nonetheless. He is now done. membership in the club cancelled.

I agree. He is done.

I believe that was the point of his paper, as I noted. Along with supporting his new job.

Who knows what he was really thinking. Neither you or I do for sure. Sounds like we have read all the information and might have two different conclusions. If you want to believe he "exposed the corrupted system", then be my guest.

I don't believe his paper supports that, but I'm good with you believing whatever you want.

 

[RagmopInKona]

Yes. Although in this version of him don't have a Ducati and don't live in Australia, mate.

I never said you were stupid, but you make a good case for yourself.

Whatever you say.

 

[sk47]

Sounds like we have read all the information and might have two different conclusions. If you want to believe he "exposed the corrupted system", then be my guest.

Hello; I do hand this to you. You never give up. Of course he exposed the corrupt system. A thing is the corruption was not exactly a secret. Many had guessed long before. The import of his revelation mainly being he was an insider.

 

[RagmopInKona]

Hello; I do hand this to you. You never give up. Of course he exposed the corrupt system. A thing is the corruption was not exactly a secret. Many had guessed long before. The import of his revelation mainly being he was an insider.

I think as more and more get to an age or wealth that they don't need to rely on their science field career, or retiring will come forward. It seems to be happening more and more.

 

[jtmat]

Hello; I do hand this to you. You never give up. Of course he exposed the corrupt system. A thing is the corruption was not exactly a secret. Many had guessed long before. The import of his revelation mainly being he was an insider.

Goodbye; That is what you don't get. There is nothing to "give up". You simply want it to be a fact that something was "exposed". If that is what you want to believe, fine. You could 100% be correct.

After reading all the material, I came to a different conclusion.

Will his paper change anything? No. Well, it will get people to visit to visit Breakthrough Institute, his job. You can go there to discuss and support his agenda! It supports fossil fuels and has links to natural gas interests, so that will make you warm inside.

They heavily focus on using technology to solve climate change so it is not like they are anti-climate change.

Then again, we all believe climate change exists, but don't agree to what degree humans cause it or what should be done about it.

 

[RagmopInKona]

That is what you don't get. There is nothing to "give up". You simply want it to be a fact that something was "exposed". If that is what you want to believe, fine. You could 100% be correct.

After reading all the material, I came to a different conclusion.

Will his paper change anything? No. Well, it will get people to visit to visit Breakthrough Institute, his job. You can go there to discuss and support his agenda! It supports fossil fuels and has links to natural gas interests, so that will make you warm inside.

They heavily focus on using technology to solve climate change so it is not like they are anti-climate change.

Then again, we all believe climate change exists, but don't agree to what degree humans cause it or what should be done about it.

Some researched earths climate cycles, and pole /crust movements, and continental drift. And know that even if humans never were or were still in the stone age it would come and at the same rate as it is now. Sadly there is no money in the WHOLE truth, so some cherry pick to make billions off fear and the idea we can do a something about it. Spoiler, we can't.
Others troll performance car forums, with this climate fear mongering cuz they have no life.
News flash, mother nature and earth don't give a rats ass that humans built most of their populated areas near the ocean/seas.

 

[jtmat]

Some researched earths climate cycles, and pole /crust movements, and continental drift. And know that even if humans never were or were still in the stone age it would come and at the same rate as it is now. Sadly there is no money in the WHOLE truth, so some cherry pick to make billions off fear and the idea we can do a something about it. Spoiler, we can't.
Others troll performance car forums, with this climate fear mongering cuz they have no life.

That is what you believe. You are correct somewhere here: 0% to 100%.

Some believe the current uptick of change is too steep for humans not have an influence. They also argue we can do something about it. They are correct somewhere here: 0% to 100%.

 

[RagmopInKona]

That is what you believe. You are correct somewhere here: 0% to 100%.

Some believe the current uptick of change is too steep for humans not have an influence. They also argue we can do something about it. They are correct somewhere here: 0% to 100%.

Facts. By boy fact. Just because you don't like them and they limit your making money off the farce isn't my problem . It is fraud and soon with be flushed out .

 

[Gregs24]

BMW investment secures future of Mini factories - BBC News

Further EV investment

Whilst some on here look as far as they can, to only see what they want regarding EV's, the reality is sales growth and investment are very high. Yes there are some crappy EV's (brands and models) which will struggle to sell, but there are crappy ICE cars too.

For MOST people MOST of the time EV's are at least as good if not better than ICE. This is a reality not a dream. People buy EV's / PHEV's because they work for them, not to virtue signal or because they have money to burn.

Our PHEV is a perfect example. It is the best SUV we have ever had, doing local journeys on home produced electricity and an ICE for long journeys. It is MUCH better than any ICE SUV we have had over the years. It costs the same to buy (no subsidies / penalties either way) - it is the BEST option for us. We are just one of many who are finding the same thing out.

Most people in the UK/US want a car that starts, stops, keeps them warm and dry and enables them to do their 8/10 mile average journey length each time. They want nothing more and nothing less, which is why EV's are so popular now.

 

[K4fxd]

Our PHEV is a perfect example. It is the best SUV we have ever had, doing local journeys on home produced electricity and an ICE for long journeys. It is MUCH better than any ICE SUV we have had over the years. It costs the same to buy (no subsidies / penalties either way) - it is the BEST option for us. We are just one of many who are finding the same thing out.

So you drive a hybrid? Yep they are much better than BEV's.

 

[sk47]

So you drive a hybrid? Yep they are much better than BEV's.

Hello; Yes a hybrid is better than an BEV. I may have missed the details in the last couple of years or more, but best i can determine none of the regular EV champions (those who post the most love for EV's. jtmat, gregs, burkey and one more i cannot recall just now) actually own an EV. If true such is a bit of irony. And no, a hybrid does not count.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Hello; Yes a hybrid is better than an BEV. I may have missed the details in the last couple of years or more, but best i can determine none of the regular EV champions (those who post the most love for EV's. jtmat, gregs, burkey and one more i cannot recall just now) actually own an EV. If true such is a bit of irony. And no, a hybrid does not count.

Yes, the “alarmist” are quite clever, now trying to pretend that hybrids are the same as BEV’s. They are a sneaky, hypocritical bunch.

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