GM is pulling back on EVs

[K4fxd]

Watched the vid of the natural gas bus fire. Looked like it started in the engine compartment and it also looked to start slow enough for people to escape.

If you watch the BEV fires there was no time to escape. Luckily no one was aboard either of the busses I linked.

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[Gregs24]

Hard to follow how many of these stories are true based on certain people spreading false info to push their agenda. Too many fanciful stories.

Fact check: Video shows methane-powered bus on fire, not electric vehicle

The claim: Video shows electric bus fire
In a dramatic video that spread widely on social media, a burning bus is parked by the side of a rural road, lengthy columns of flame shooting out of it both vertically and horizontally.

"Electric bus on fire," reads the video caption of an April 19 Facebook post.

The video was viewed more than 1,000 times and was also shared on Twitter.

However, the video actually shows a burning natural gas-powered bus, according to the local fire department, and the lengthy flames are consistent with a designed safety feature.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-bus-methane-powered-not-electric/9538915002/

It is amazing how some people latch on to stories that fit their agenda and can't even manage the most cursory of checks to see if what they are passing on is actually correct.

The same dullards that promote 'follow the evidence' - and then don't!

The internet gives these trolls airspace whereas in the old days they just sat indoors shouting at the ceiling.

 

[K4fxd]

Greg you need to stop commenting if you don't read all the posts. It makes you look like an imbecile.

 

[Strokerswild]

On the topic of EV battery fires, a friend had one of sorts over the weekend.

He and his son have electric assist bicycles (I forget the make, they're pretty cool). On a ride, his power cut out and the battery pack started squealing and smoking. He stopped and yanked out the battery pack and threw it on the pavement, where it went full-on nuclear. The fire department showed up at some point, but by then all it took was a fire extinguisher to put out what was left of the pack.

He's a little leery about charging them in his garage now....

 

[K4fxd]

Glad he didn't get hurt

 

[jtmat]

Remember Kawasaki’s introduction of its Ninja EV and Z EV prototype electric motorcycles at EICMA 2022? Although it may have taken some time for Kawasaki to publicly announce that it was working on electric motorbikes, it clearly hit the ground running by utilizing an existing combustion bike platform as a structural building block. That’s why, the company said, it expected to roll its first electric bikes out into the world as production models later in 2023. ​

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How are weights like these possible with electric motorcycles? In 2023, a large amount of the weight of electric vehicles is their batteries. That’s due in part to currently available energy densities, in addition to customer aversion to range anxiety. At the public introduction of this project during EICMA 2022, Kawasaki mentioned that the production versions of these bikes will make use of swappable electric batteries instead of opting for larger, heavier packs that give longer range when fully charged. ​

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As Gogoro has been demonstrating for years, swappable electric battery packs can be a viable way to power electric vehicles with short-range aspirations. That particularly includes urban commuter vehicles, which is what the Ninja e-1 and Z e-1 are meant to be. Infrastructure considerations are also a concern here, and how Kawasaki intends to address those has yet to be announced. ​

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Here’s where it potentially gets interesting, though. Remember Gachaco? It’s the name that Japan’s big four motorcycle manufacturers (Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha) came up with for their dedicated battery swapping company. Formed in 2022, the goal was—you guessed it—developing swappable batteries for motorbikes.​

https://www.rideapart.com/news/680177/kawasaki-electric-ninja-z-details/​

 

[sk47]

Remember Kawasaki’s introduction of its Ninja EV and Z EV prototype electric motorcycles at EICMA 2022? Although it may have taken some time for Kawasaki to publicly announce that it was working on electric motorbikes, it clearly hit the ground running by utilizing an existing combustion bike platform as a structural building block. That’s why, the company said, it expected to roll its first electric bikes out into the world as production models later in 2023. ​

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How are weights like these possible with electric motorcycles? In 2023, a large amount of the weight of electric vehicles is their batteries. That’s due in part to currently available energy densities, in addition to customer aversion to range anxiety. At the public introduction of this project during EICMA 2022, Kawasaki mentioned that the production versions of these bikes will make use of swappable electric batteries instead of opting for larger, heavier packs that give longer range when fully charged. ​

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As Gogoro has been demonstrating for years, swappable electric battery packs can be a viable way to power electric vehicles with short-range aspirations. That particularly includes urban commuter vehicles, which is what the Ninja e-1 and Z e-1 are meant to be. Infrastructure considerations are also a concern here, and how Kawasaki intends to address those has yet to be announced. ​

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Here’s where it potentially gets interesting, though. Remember Gachaco? It’s the name that Japan’s big four motorcycle manufacturers (Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha) came up with for their dedicated battery swapping company. Formed in 2022, the goal was—you guessed it—developing swappable batteries for motorbikes.​

https://www.rideapart.com/news/680177/kawasaki-electric-ninja-z-details/​

Hello; For some reason this ad makes me think of an early generation Star Trek (Kirk = Shattner). Eden in the title. Some young dreamers manage to take over the Enterprise and fly it to a planet called Eden. A supposed paradise. Turned out it was pretty to look at but the ground plants were acid laden, and the fruit was poisonous.

Point being they had a dreamers image in their mind and did not, perhaps could not, manage to look for the potential flaws. I do not mind the idea of alternate powered motorcycles to be sure. Partial proof of point is this line from the above you do not bother to highlight.

"Infrastructure considerations are also a concern here, and how Kawasaki intends to address those has yet to be announced."

Pretty as the picture is and as sweet as the concept sounds it is always wise to look further than the dreamy portion.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Hello; For some reason this ad makes me think of an early generation Star Trek (Kirk = Shattner). Eden in the title. Some young dreamers manage to take over the Enterprise and fly it to a planet called Eden. A supposed paradise. Turned out it was pretty to look at but the ground plants were acid laden, and the fruit was poisonous.

Point being they had a dreamers image in their mind and did not, perhaps could not, manage to look for the potential flaws. I do not mind the idea of alternate powered motorcycles to be sure. Partial proof of point is this line from the above you do not bother to highlight.

"Infrastructure considerations are also a concern here, and how Kawasaki intends to address those has yet to be announced."

Pretty as the picture is and as sweet as the concept sounds it is always wise to look further than the dreamy portion.

I remember the episode well. Good analogy.

 

[jtmat]

Hello; For some reason this ad makes me think of an early generation Star Trek (Kirk = Shattner). Eden in the title. Some young dreamers manage to take over the Enterprise and fly it to a planet called Eden. A supposed paradise. Turned out it was pretty to look at but the ground plants were acid laden, and the fruit was poisonous.

Point being they had a dreamers image in their mind and did not, perhaps could not, manage to look for the potential flaws. I do not mind the idea of alternate powered motorcycles to be sure. Partial proof of point is this line from the above you do not bother to highlight.

"Infrastructure considerations are also a concern here, and how Kawasaki intends to address those has yet to be announced."

Pretty as the picture is and as sweet as the concept sounds it is always wise to look further than the dreamy portion.

With swappable batteries I could pull a trailer full of them and swap out as needed.

Infrastructure won't be an issue as more EVs launch. Great thing about America is that entrepreneurial spirit!


Hyper-performing Italian electric motorbike LACAMA 2.0 at EICMA 2023

The Italian Volt brand, owned by Tazzari Group, will be presenting the finalized version of their Italian electric motorcycle, LACAMA 2.0 at EICMA 2023 in Milan on November 7.​

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LACAMA 2.0, is an ultra-customizable performance motorbike that will be available for customers from March of 2024. This is the follow-up to the original Lacama concept shown by THE PACK on March 27th, 2017. You can find more information from articles published about this great bike HERE >.​

 

[sk47]

With swappable batteries I could pull a trailer full of them and swap out as needed.

Infrastructure won't be an issue as more EVs launch. Great thing about America is that entrepreneurial spirit!


Hyper-performing Italian electric motorbike LACAMA 2.0 at EICMA 2023

The Italian Volt brand, owned by Tazzari Group, will be presenting the finalized version of their Italian electric motorcycle, LACAMA 2.0 at EICMA 2023 in Milan on November 7.​

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LACAMA 2.0, is an ultra-customizable performance motorbike that will be available for customers from March of 2024. This is the follow-up to the original Lacama concept shown by THE PACK on March 27th, 2017. You can find more information from articles published about this great bike HERE >.​

Hello; I get the concept well enough. I use cordless power tools and have extra batteries to switch out. Some day there may be a standardized battery for all those tools but for now each companies battery system is unique to their own stuff.

But i get it. A dreamer has to dream.

 

[jtmat]

Hello; I get the concept well enough. I use cordless power tools and have extra batteries to switch out. Some day there may be a standardized battery for all those tools but for now each companies battery system is unique to their own stuff.

But i get it. A dreamer has to dream.

Goodbye; Not my "dream" as I would not own one yet.

Overall not a dream at all... EVs are a reality.

But I do like the catchphrase! Even if not true.

 

[sk47]

Goodbye; Not my "dream" as I would not own one yet.

Overall not a dream at all... EVs are a reality.

But I do like the catchphrase! Even if not true.

Hello; I don't think anyone has actually stated that BEV's are not real. I will try again for the point of the Star Trek analogy. Just as BEV's are real then so was the planet Eden real to the characters in the TV episode. The dream point is that many have a fantasized idea about BEV's in some way as the TV show characters did. I do not intend to imply that BEV's are quite the same as the deadly flora of that imaginary planet. More that the ideal of these BEV things such as a motorcycle are very likely to not live up to the hype.
My experience with cordless power tools is that the newer Li-ion battery packs are much better than the older Ni-cads. Even so they run out of juice quick enough with heavy use. I can them down a whole lot faster than they will recharge.

But if your user details are accurate, you do not yet have any BEV's at all. I get that also. Such is the smart move for now. The BEV's do exist but cost too much and are not ready for prime time.

 

[jtmat]

Hello; I don't think anyone has actually stated that BEV's are not real. I will try again for the point of the Star Trek analogy. Just as BEV's are real then so was the planet Eden real to the characters in the TV episode. The dream point is that many have a fantasized idea about BEV's in some way as the TV show characters did. I do not intend to imply that BEV's are quite the same as the deadly flora of that imaginary planet. More that the ideal of these BEV things such as a motorcycle are very likely to not live up to the hype.
My experience with cordless power tools is that the newer Li-ion battery packs are much better than the older Ni-cads. Even so they run out of juice quick enough with heavy use. I can them down a whole lot faster than they will recharge.

But if your user details are accurate, you do not yet have any BEV's at all. I get that also. Such is the smart move for now. The BEV's do exist but cost too much and are not ready for prime time.

Goodbye; I'm keeping my ICE for as long as I can. I figure by the time my car dies (hopefully not before 2028), EVs will be close enough to prime time for me.

I don't think of it as ICE vs. EVs. EVs are coming and there is nothing much to do about it.

I'm guessing there will be a point where gas is $100 a gallon and I won't be able to afford my ICE. Hoping I like something on the EV front by then. I'm guessing something will be out that meet my requirements (very long range).

 

[sk47]

Goodbye; I'm keeping my ICE for as long as I can. I figure by the time my car dies (hopefully not before 2028), EVs will be close enough to prime time for me.

I don't think of it as ICE vs. EVs. EVs are coming and there is nothing much to do about it.

I'm guessing there will be a point where gas is $100 a gallon and I won't be able to afford my ICE. Hoping I like something on the EV front by then. I'm guessing something will be out that meet my requirements (very long range).

Hello; long before gas can get to $100 a gallon, economies around the world will have collapsed. I see you still do not get the overall implications of this forced change over to BEV transportation. Makes sense as I believe you were among those who could not see the economic implications of the Covid lockdowns a few years ago. That even after several of us gave clear warnings on this site.

 

[jtmat]

Hello; long before gas can get to $100 a gallon, economies around the world will have collapsed. I see you still do not get the overall implications of this forced change over to BEV transportation. Makes sense as I believe you were among those who could not see the economic implications of the Covid lockdowns a few years ago. That even after several of us gave clear warnings on this site.

Goodbye; I personally made a lot of money during covid. Things are fine from my standpoint. The economy could be doing much, much worse. Hate to be a situation where I had to buy a house or car....

Yea, and I didn't literally mean $100 a gallon. Gee wiz. At some point the right decision will be to purchase an EV based on cost alone. I don't think it is there yet. I do believe gas will factor into that decision depending on how much gas goes up.

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