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[K4fxd]

The other problem is the rate of change for which this climate change is happening, it's too quick for most life to adapt and thus much bio diversity will be lost.

Yep, that is the fear mongering talking. Even if it warmed 2C in 100 years life will adapt. All this fear mongering does is create an apathetic population. I know several young adults who think the earth will stop supporting life in 12 years. They don't care about anything because they think there is no future.

Just because humans were not around when it was mean avg 20 degrees F warmer does not mean we cannot adapt. Humans live at the equator and humans live at the arctic.

The warmer it gets the easier it is for life to exist. Life will be more diverse and more abundant.

Greg, I'm not the idiot who has his head in the sand hiding from other thoughts.

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[sk47]

You are wasting your time with that idiot. He knows better than all the worlds climatologists and meteorologists put together!

You will note that in general climate change deniers have moved on from ' it is all normal fluctuations etc' (because it is irrefutable now that it isn't) to 'well it doesn't matter anyway' and then 'there is nothing we can do about it'. All in order to avoid them having to change what they do in any way. They then claim freedom of speech and how precious THEIR freedoms are (sod the rest of us) before starting the whole thing over again.......

Hello; Coming from you, the champion of it is OK to use force on those of us who do not go along with whatever you decide is the right thing, this is amusing.

Not the only thing, but an important thing has been brought to light recently. That being an entire cadre of top medical scientists have had the many deceptions they fosted upon us exposed. Professionals who should have known better fell in line to deceive whole populations. In some areas they are still at it. One example being a top world class tennis player cannot compete because he has not taken a "mandated " vaccine. ( note -I think he has survived Covid so has natural immunity. ) On top of that the game is played outdoors with little person to person contact.

So we are to accept that all those climate scientist are of higher moral fiber than top mediacal professionals. That they do not have to go along in order to get the grants their careers depend upon. Covid has been a tragedy but we are warned about the elites at top levels who feel it is OK to hold power over us.

 

[K4fxd]

To address the rate of change;

In another thread Gregg or one of his cronies posted a graph of avg temps over 800,000 years or maybe 800 million, I forget. Anyway it showed 3 distinct times where the temp line went straight up. The current line is going straight up.

Gregg tried to say this chart proved that the temp is rising faster now than ever. I pointed out there were 3 other times when the temp rose just as fast. he called me names said I did not know how to read a chart, then he put me on ignore.

The climate changes, maybe we are contributing but we cannot stop it no matter what we do. Another thing about when it was 20 degrees F avg warmer there was a water vapor layer in the stratosphere. The water vapor held lots more heat then the Co2 did.

Anyway none of us will be around in 100 years to see how things shake out.

 

[K4fxd]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/georgia-thieves-busted-cops-charge-getaway-tesla

Another reason not to have a BEV

 

[raptor17GT]

You are wasting your time with that idiot. He knows better than all the worlds climatologists and meteorologists put together!

You will note that in general climate change deniers have moved on from ' it is all normal fluctuations etc' (because it is irrefutable now that it isn't) to 'well it doesn't matter anyway' and then 'there is nothing we can do about it'. All in order to avoid them having to change what they do in any way. They then claim freedom of speech and how precious THEIR freedoms are (sod the rest of us) before starting the whole thing over again.......

aye, debating with some folks is a waste of pixels on my screen and the energy used to display it.

Yep, that is the fear mongering talking. Even if it warmed 2C in 100 years life will adapt. All this fear mongering does is create an apathetic population. I know several young adults who think the earth will stop supporting life in 12 years. They don't care about anything because they think there is no future.

Just because humans were not around when it was mean avg 20 degrees F warmer does not mean we cannot adapt. Humans live at the equator and humans live at the arctic.

The warmer it gets the easier it is for life to exist. Life will be more diverse and more abundant.

Greg, I'm not the idiot who has his head in the sand hiding from other thoughts.

life will adapt? coming from the person complaining his power was out for three days and he needs his a/c and heating to stay comfortable. What's up, you unable to adapt to rapid temperature fluctuations?

The warmer it gets the more natural habit is lost causing biodiversity to fall not the other way round. Equally a drop in temperature of 10degC would have same effect i suspect

To address the rate of change;

In another thread Gregg or one of his cronies posted a graph of avg temps over 800,000 years or maybe 800 million, I forget. Anyway it showed 3 distinct times where the temp line went straight up. The current line is going straight up.

Gregg tried to say this chart proved that the temp is rising faster now than ever. I pointed out there were 3 other times when the temp rose just as fast. he called me names said I did not know how to read a chart, then he put me on ignore.

The climate changes, maybe we are contributing but we cannot stop it no matter what we do. Another thing about when it was 20 degrees F avg warmer there was a water vapor layer in the stratosphere. The water vapor held lots more heat then the Co2 did.

Anyway none of us will be around in 100 years to see how things shake out.

you mean this temperature chart of 800,000years as below ? Seems like we be going higher and faster and while none of us will be around that does not negate the facts / details from existing. Same facts as the oil companies discovered decades ago yet instead of publishing those facts they hid them and spent billions trying to convince the world that the climate scientists were wrong.

tbh i'm going to have to put you on Ignore otherwise I'll say something in response to you and likely get myself banned. Save me getting dragged down into snizzle that's not worth reading or replying to. Enjoy your Mustang

 

[K4fxd]

I'll just comment on the most egregious omission.

Why doesn't that Co2 chart show the Jurassic period when Co2 was at 1000 ppm? Some scientists think it was closer to 6000 ppm.

 

[sk47]

I'll just comment on the most egregious omission.

Why doesn't that Co2 chart show the Jurassic period when Co2 was at 1000 ppm? Some scientists think it was closer to 6000 ppm.

Hello; The chart only goes back 800 thousand years. Not even a million for one thing. A sort of cheery picking. Maybe like my question about if temps in the 1930's have been omitted from th acclaimed climate models.

 

[Gregs24]

tbh i'm going to have to put you on Ignore

Did that a long time ago - He is just a troll

 

[K4fxd]

Maybe like my question about if temps in the 1930's have been omitted from th acclaimed climate models.

I know I get poo pooed for bringing this book up, State of Fear.

Many of the listed reference sources are no longer available.
In other words, yes the data has been removed.

 

[Gregs24]

Why hydrogen, not electric, is JCB's choice for hitting zero emissions. Lord Bamford explains why - YouTube

Although not really likely for cars, JCB is forging ahead with hydrogen combustion engines for commercial / plant. Nothing new here but a good watch.

 

[K4fxd]

Although not really likely for cars, JCB is forging ahead with hydrogen combustion engines for commercial / plant. Nothing new here but a good watch.

Are we able to produce hydrogen using less energy than it will deliver?

Serious question. I'm not up to date on the latest hydrogen tech.

 

[raptor17GT]

Did that a long time ago - He is just a troll

at least he does own a Mustang unlike some folks on here.

What a rabbit hole i've fallen down, really is amazing what is out there when you stop searching for go faster / stop faster parts for the car. Found some graphs from https://earth.org/data_visualization/a-brief-history-of-co2/
the graph scaling changes a bit which flattens out some points but we'd need a 10km wide screen to view it otherwise

and from same page

and a graph / timeline of life before us so basically any warming from 750k possibly 500k years ago could be us lol . That might be why most charts only go back 800k years.
https://www.economist.com/content/anthropocene

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/148337381454964404/

edit to include this baby
https://www.southampton.ac.uk/~cpd/history.html

 

[K4fxd]

What should jump out at you looking at those charts is the Earth has experienced rapid warming several times in the past.

The end is not near.

 

[K4fxd]

We should continue to develop new technologies to reduce or eliminate our dependence on fossil fuels, we shouldn't stop using these fuels until something better actually is developed. We will not kill the earth from burning oil for the next 100 years or however long it takes to have a better reliable fuel.

 

[Gregs24]

at least he does own a Mustang unlike some folks on here.

What a rabbit hole i've fallen down, really is amazing what is out there when you stop searching for go faster / stop faster parts for the car. Found some graphs from https://earth.org/data_visualization/a-brief-history-of-co2/
the graph scaling changes a bit which flattens out some points but we'd need a 10km wide screen to view it otherwise

and from same page

and a graph / timeline of life before us so basically any warming from 750k possibly 500k years ago could be us lol . That might be why most charts only go back 800k years.
https://www.economist.com/content/anthropocene

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/148337381454964404/

edit to include this baby
https://www.southampton.ac.uk/~cpd/history.html

Oh you will rattle the creationists with that lot!

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