GM is pulling back on EVs

[Burkey]

The Engineer - KAUST spinout will extract lithium from seawater

That should make those purporting to be worried about slavery rest easy!

Just to be clear, are you talking about the people who have lithium batteries in their devices but don’t seem so worried about lithium mining when it’s for things they agree with?
Are they the same people who are worried about birds?
Also, are they the same people who advocate for less government intervention and then can’t work out why people end up working for what constitutes slave labour rates in countries where the government fails to enforce basic minimum standards?

Just checking.

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[Gregs24]

Just to be clear, are you talking about the people who have lithium batteries in their devices but don’t seem so worried about lithium mining when it’s for things they agree with?
Are they the same people who are worried about birds?
Also, are they the same people who advocate for less government intervention and then can’t work out why people end up working for what constitutes slave labour rates in countries where the government fails to enforce basic minimum standards?

Just checking.

Could be

 

[sk47]

The Engineer - KAUST spinout will extract lithium from seawater

That should make those purporting to be worried about slavery rest easy!

Hello; A glib post. It is another "someday" it will be fixed but leaves out that it is not yet real at an industrial scale. Scaling up is often a problem or simply too expensive. I would be some more impressed with an answer to the link and quote below. You and Burkey seem to find any number of links to less important issues. If Britian alone will need the equivalent of the entire world supply of cobalt output for two years and copper for one year, what will happen?
One guess is the price will become much higher for both.

‘Britain’s transition to net zero is destined to make us all poorer’ (msn.com)

“For example, if we want to get all 31.5 million British cars electric by 2050, it will require the UK to purchase the equivalent of the entire world’s supply of cobalt for two whole years, not to mention six months’ worth of copper. And that is before we factor in the years’ worth of worldwide copper output to build the additional six thousand turbines that will be needed to power them.”

 

[Burkey]

Hello; A glib post. It is another "someday" it will be fixed but leaves out that it is not yet real at an industrial scale. Scaling up is often a problem or simply too expensive. I would be some more impressed with an answer to the link and quote below. You and Burkey seem to find any number of links to less important issues. If Britian alone will need the equivalent of the entire world supply of cobalt output for two years and copper for one year, what will happen?
One guess is the price will become much higher for both.

‘Britain’s transition to net zero is destined to make us all poorer’ (msn.com)

“For example, if we want to get all 31.5 million British cars electric by 2050, it will require the UK to purchase the equivalent of the entire world’s supply of cobalt for two whole years, not to mention six months’ worth of copper. And that is before we factor in the years’ worth of worldwide copper output to build the additional six thousand turbines that will be needed to power them.”

Why are nearly all your links from MSN? Do you go anywhere else for your information?
I‘m just suggesting that you might want to diversify, especially in the wake of recent revelations regarding a particular media source KNOWINGLY spreading lies on the basis that their audience was waning because they weren’t playing along with the narrative.
It obviously pays to digest a wide variety of media if you want to avoid bias.

I’m kind of joking of course.
MSN publish PLENTY of stories that are pro climate change.
It‘s almost as if you’re looking for evidence to support your conclusion and ignoring the rest.

Here’s one example. See if you can identify the patterns internally.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...-motivates-climate-change-deniers/ar-AA16ViKm

 

[K4fxd]

Damn, reading the first 3 lines shows the bias in that link.

 

[sk47]

Damn, reading the first 3 lines shows the bias in that link.

"Right-wing ideologues funded by fossil fuels, fame-seeking narcissists and doubt mongers monetising their content are pushing climate disinformation that undermines the fight against global warming, researchers say."

Hello; Goes on to mention OIL money. Wonder if anyone is making money from EV and Green energy?

 

[sk47]

Why Britain is suddenly blowing cold on a wind power revolution (msn.com)

“Less than a year later, however, and that optimism has all but evaporated, with developers warning that rising costs are making planned new projects unviable.”

“It comes as clean energy investors are being lured to the US by a $216bn (£178bn) package of tax breaks. The huge giveaway is putting pressure on Chancellor Jeremy Hunt to respond. “

“He now faces a balancing act as he tries to encourage investment in an industry critical for the Government’s push to net zero, while keeping a lid on state spending and household bills amid a cost of living crisis.”

“Henrik Anderson, chief executive of Vestas, the world’s largest turbine maker, warned in January 2022 of a “troubling and challenging” market, as lockdowns in China disrupted manufacturing, and the cost of steel, copper and other components rose.”

“Under the Government’s “contracts for difference” (CfD) subsidy scheme, developers are guaranteed a fixed price of electricity for 15 years. If the wider market wholesale price turns out to be higher, they get the difference via a levy on consumer bills. If it is lower, they have to pay back the difference. “

‘“There are immediate concerns whether AR4 [projects bid for in June 2022] will go ahead,” Energy UK, warned in a report this month.

“Losing the major projects would cause immediate and possibly irreparable damage to the pipeline of 135GW new capacity needed by 2035,” it added. “

“One City analyst warned: “There is a tension – you cannot build an energy system if nobody makes a return in doing so."”

Hello; at some point one of the forum members active in this thread mentioned the GREEN ENERGY agenda will make us poorer. I have posted that it will bring about a "do without" lifestyle for almost all of us. I pulled a few interesting quotes from the link above.

The artificial date of 2035 is part of the problem to be sure. Ten + years seems a long time to many but not for a major overhaul of a massive power system. Dreamers can dream but reality always shows up.

 

[Burkey]

"Right-wing ideologues funded by fossil fuels, fame-seeking narcissists and doubt mongers monetising their content are pushing climate disinformation that undermines the fight against global warming, researchers say."

Hello; Goes on to mention OIL money. Wonder if anyone is making money from EV and Green energy?

Pay attention to the argument.
Nobody is suggesting that there no money in green solutions. The difference is that there’s no green lobby group injecting anywhere near ”big oil” money directly into the pockets of politicians.

Given that China is the largest producer of solar panels, just how much money do you think Chinese companies are putting into the pockets of US politicians?
Do you honestly think the funding extends as far as billion dollars or more over the past decade?

Is Elon Musk funding the left?

To be totally clear, BOTH sides are taking money from gas and oil, so it’s not as if one side has totally clean hands here.

Just let these figures soak in while you “follow the money”.
Or do we only do that when it comes to big pharma?

 

[AZlb5.0]

Pay attention to the argument.
Nobody is suggesting that there no money in green solutions. The difference is that there’s no green lobby group injecting anywhere near ”big oil” money directly into the pockets of politicians.

Given that China is the largest producer of solar panels, just how much money do you think Chinese companies are putting into the pockets of US politicians?
Do you honestly think the funding extends as far as billion dollars or more over the past decade?

Is Elon Musk funding the left?

To be totally clear, BOTH sides are taking money from gas and oil, so it’s not as if one side has totally clean hands here.

Just let these figures soak in while you “follow the money”.
Or do we only do that when it comes to big pharma?

We can agree that as green grows so will lobbying money. That’s just how it goes.

 

[sk47]

Pay attention to the argument.
Nobody is suggesting that there no money in green solutions. The difference is that there’s no green lobby group injecting anywhere near ”big oil” money directly into the pockets of politicians.

Given that China is the largest producer of solar panels, just how much money do you think Chinese companies are putting into the pockets of US politicians?
Do you honestly think the funding extends as far as billion dollars or more over the past decade?

Is Elon Musk funding the left?

To be totally clear, BOTH sides are taking money from gas and oil, so it’s not as if one side has totally clean hands here.

Just let these figures soak in while you “follow the money”.
Or do we only do that when it comes to big pharma?

Hello; Throwing out oil issues to distract does not alter the main points being made about "green" energy. Oil and coal have been keeping the lights on for decades. Have been growing and transporting our food. Fossil fuels can and do work properly and have a known record of being capable when needed.

So, distraction noted but not worth much. Green energy and EV's are not ready to carry the loads.

 

[sk47]

Man’s 'stressful' electric vehicle cross-country trip hampered by nine hours of charging (msn.com)

 

[Burkey]

Hello; Throwing out oil issues to distract does not alter the main points being made about "green" energy. Oil and coal have been keeping the lights on for decades. Have been growing and transporting our food. Fossil fuels can and do work properly and have a known record of being capable when needed.

So, distraction noted but not worth much. Green energy and EV's are not ready to carry the loads.

Nobody here is arguing that fossil fuels haven’t allowed us huge advances in transport and beyond.
Can you focus on what is actually being said, rather than trying to attack positions nobody here has presented?

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

They’re coming for your food. Quit eating meat, you deniers.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/could-way-eat-contribute-global-213611707.html🐃🐂

 

[sk47]

They’re coming for your food. Quit eating meat, you deniers.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/could-way-eat-contribute-global-213611707.html🐃🐂

Hello; After the article there is a comments section. Here is the first of those comments.

"So another model of unknown quality fed data of unknown origins that makes a claim, All we know for sure is that the results of the model conform to the prevailing narrative, and if they did not, they would not be published, and the authors' careers would likely face negative or even dire consequences. In such a system, placing faith in the results makes no sense, nore does basing major policy decisions on these results. If COVID taught us anything, it should be to pay much closer attention to incentive structures of all kinds and to focus on deranging and corrupted thought patterns in our public institutions, particularly as they interface with corporate interests."

 

[K4fxd]

Quit eating meat, you deniers.

I think, before we killed them all, there were exponentially more Buffalo and Horses than we now have cows and sheep.

Everyone world wide burned coal or wood for heat and cooking with no scrubbers on the smoke stacks.

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