GM is pulling back on EVs

[Gregs24]

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A national network for Hydrogen refuelling aimed at commercial vehicles is starting up in the UK using hydrogen from Ineos's plant where hydrogen is a by product of the chlor-alkali process. This can be used in FCEV lorries / busses or hydrogen ICE engines.

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[sk47]

Don't let the moron derail this thread with his antivax stuff.

Hello; Helps confirm the point which was why the past Covid episodes on this forum were brought up in an EV thread. I disagree with you so i must be a moron in your eyes and so are part of a mass of people who need to be forced out of ICE. That you strongly championed stances which proved wrong about Covid then and are now expecting us to forget.
Now you champion EV's and again expect us to just accept you as a representative of authority which we ought not be able to question.

 

[K4fxd]

In the US State of Utah, the powers in charge are forcing the shutdown of a 118000 mega watt coal plant and are replacing it with a 850 mega watt gas/hydrogen plant. They are getting the hydrogen through electrolysis.

So not only are they reducing capacity, in a market that is demanding more, they are using a fuel that uses more power to make than it can produce.

And y'all expect me to believe the "smart" people are in charge.

 

[Mitch03]

Hello; Helps confirm the point which was why the past Covid episodes on this forum were brought up in an EV thread. I disagree with you so i must be a moron in your eyes and so are part of a mass of people who need to be forced out of ICE. That you strongly championed stances which proved wrong about Covid then and are now expecting us to forget.
Now you champion EV's and again expect us to just accept you as a representative of authority which we ought not be able to question.

Gregs just bitter that he’s been wrong the whole time and now tries to make up for it calling names Which he always does. Burley‘s the same way…..SK47 was right the whole time about immunity.….and all you guys did was bash him. You guys are nothing but fools! Gullible ones at that.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Home - Element 2 (element-2.co.uk)

A national network for Hydrogen refuelling aimed at commercial vehicles is starting up in the UK using hydrogen from Ineos's plant where hydrogen is a by product of the chlor-alkali process. This can be used in FCEV lorries / busses or hydrogen ICE engines.

In the US, UPS trucks tried hydrogen powered trucks, it was an abismal failure. Two reasons;
1: vehicles breaking down more often then diesel trucks (engineering infancy)
2: the lack of fueling point infrastructure to support them.

If this takes off in Europe, it would be a great starting point, for an US based company to use as a model moving forward for hydrogen fueled cars here in this country. The engineering is moving at a great clip now for hydrogen based cars, so I am sure that it will be another more sound alternative then battery powered vehicles. Cleaner I think, with little to no atmospheric impact, especially from mining the EV battery materials, to making batteries that can’t be recycled.

 

[Gregs24]

In the US, UPS trucks tried hydrogen powered trucks, it was an abismal failure. Two reasons;
1: vehicles breaking down more often then diesel trucks (engineering infancy)
2: the lack of fueling point infrastructure to support them.

If this takes off in Europe, it would be a great starting point, for an US based company to use as a model moving forward for hydrogen fueled cars here in this country. The engineering is moving at a great clip now for hydrogen based cars, so I am sure that it will be another more sound alternative then battery powered vehicles. Cleaner I think, with little to no atmospheric impact, especially from mining the EV battery materials, to making batteries that can’t be recycled.

EV batteries are recycled, (and reused) and even repaired now. One driver of an EV here faced with a repair bill of £15k for his Jaguar iPace spent £3k having the battery pack repaired (which included removal, shipping, repair and then refitting).

Hydrogen buses have been running in the UK and Europe for some time with few problems. For example Birmingham has 144 hydrogen buses in use today.

The whole point of my post was to point out that the infrastructure was being built, so point 2 you made above is covered

Hydrogen fuelled cars would most likely be FCEV's such as the Toyota Mirai which already exists and over 11,000 were sold in the US last year.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

I don’t “believe” that GHG’s are changing or can change our planet. This is beyond any dispute at this point. The dispute surrounds to what extent they will change it. That’s a debate worth having.

Why should a politician forego the same rights and privileges that you are entitled to? If they did that you’d probably then accuse them of virtue signalling….
No matter what they do, they can’t win with you people.
They could stop flying on jets and next it would be that they’re driving ICE vehicles. Then they’d swap to EV’s and you’d be calling them hypocrites for living in homes that require carbon dioxide release to produce them…
It‘s a game that you can’t lose right? All you need to do is shift the goal posts a little further each time….

I do not expect elites to forgo the rights and privileges that others enjoy, I just expect them not to do so while being hypocritical.

In addition, I was just pointing out one facet of these hypocrites' lifestyle (personal jets), there is also the superyachts, multiple mansions, etc. You missed my point, as you have a habit of doing.

It’s funny that you would accuse me of a lack of critical thinking skills whilst simultaneously repeating the whole private jet thing, which is quite clearly something that’s been doing the rounds on right wing media.

You do lack critical thinking skills, you ramble, deflect and mischaracterize arguments. Own it.

The funny part is, I don’t think you understand hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy would be them criticising you for riding in a private jet while they ride in a private jet, or demanding that you only be allowed to emit x emissions while they’re allowed to emit y. They aren’t saying that. They aren’t asking for special conditions nor are they criticising your actions.
They will be subject to the exact same laws that you are and yet they STILL want those laws. I wonder why?

Oh boy, we have already been down this road before. Let me educate you again.

hypocrite
noun
hyp·o·crite ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit

Synonyms of hypocrite
1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

hypocrite adjective

If politicians and elites lecture to the masses that we must all work to lower our carbon footprint, while those politicians and elites are flying in their private jets, sailing their superyachts and living in multiple mansions, then they are hypocrites. They are "acting in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings." (Did you understand this part?)

You seem more than willing to give these hypocrites free pass, I'm not.

This is a classic example of what happens when a lobby group pretending to be a think tank gets their BS published in the media and then swallowed by people who want to believe it to be true.
You literally wouldn’t have come up with this example by yourself. Your reasoning skills wouldn’t have allowed it.
It’s that stupid.

What in the hell are you talking about. This is simply the rambling of an unhinged lunatic who is losing an argument.

What you could reasonably argue is that they might be able to do some of their work via video conference rather than in person. I’d absolutely agree that this would be better for the environment.

Why yes, yes they could, but it is more fun to jet set around acting like they're saving the planet.

But, I’d also argue that literally anything that reduces emissions is also a good thing, so there’s no need to point at private jets specifically, but of course that’s the specific thing you’ve been taught to be outraged over. Seems that the programming worked as intended.

What the hell are you talking about now. More drivel from the triggered one. You are simply a brainwashed liberal who believes everything you are spoon-fed. I am not even going to address the rest of your disjointed ramblings, as you are acting as a seeming unhinged lapdog.

EDIT: if a doctor is a smoker and warns you that smoking is harmful, does his habit do anything to overturn the scientific evidence that suggests smoking is harmful to your health? Have a think about it.
Your argument is fallacious. He’s not even a hypocrite. He’s just explaining facts to you. If he then wanted smoking banned, he still wouldn’t be a hypocrite, because he would also be banned from smoking.

Oh boy, here we go again. If a doctor lectures me that it is unhealthy for me to smoke and be overweight while that same doctor is obese and smokes like a chimney, then that doctor is a hypocrite. (Review the Webster definition above).

These articles contradict your one article concerning the carbon footprint of private jets; I can cite several more. Your article just serves to protect and justify the elites use of these means of transportation since they are coming under attack for being hypocrites. I expect to see more such article from the liberal media. Remember they must try to confuse the mases, such as yourself.

Private planes, mansions and superyachts: What gives billionaires like Musk and Abramovich such a massive carbon footprint (theconversation.com)

A 17-minute flight? The super-rich who have ‘absolute disregard for the planet’ | Climate crisis | The Guardian

In conclusion, once again you were wrong, but I hope now you at least understand the meaning of hypocrite. In the future, I think you would be better served to write more succinctly and quit rambling incoherently. There seems to never be any cohesiveness to your thought processes. You lack critical thinking skills and simply regurgitate what you are told.

I'll leave you with this, a brief summary of George Orwell's 1984:

The book is set in 1984 in Oceania, one of three perpetually warring totalitarian states (the other two are Eurasia and Eastasia). Oceania is governed by the all-controlling Party, which has brainwashed the population into unthinking obedience to its leader, Big Brother. The Party has created a propagandistic language known as Newspeak, which is designed to limit free thought and promote the Party’s doctrines. Its words include doublethink (belief in contradictory ideas simultaneously), which is reflected in the Party’s slogans: “War is peace,” “Freedom is slavery,” and “Ignorance is strength.” The Party maintains control through the Thought Police and continual surveillance.

 

[AZlb5.0]

These articles contradict your one article concerning the carbon footprint of private jets; I can cite several more. Your article just serves to protect and justify the elites use of these means of transportation since they are coming under attack for being hypocrites. I expect to see more such article from the liberal media. Remember they must try to confuse the mases, such as yourself.

Private planes, mansions and superyachts: What gives billionaires like Musk and Abramovich such a massive carbon footprint (theconversation.com)

A 17-minute flight? The super-rich who have ‘absolute disregard for the planet’ | Climate crisis | The Guardian

In conclusion, once again you were wrong, but I hope now you at least understand the meaning of hypocrite. In the future, I think you would be better served to write more succinctly and quit rambling incoherently. There seems to never be any cohesiveness to your thought processes. You lack critical thinking skills and simply regurgitate what you are told.

I'll leave you with this, a brief summary of George Orwell's 1984:

The book is set in 1984 in Oceania, one of three perpetually warring totalitarian states (the other two are Eurasia and Eastasia). Oceania is governed by the all-controlling Party, which has brainwashed the population into unthinking obedience to its leader, Big Brother. The Party has created a propagandistic language known as Newspeak, which is designed to limit free thought and promote the Party’s doctrines. Its words include doublethink (belief in contradictory ideas simultaneously), which is reflected in the Party’s slogans: “War is peace,” “Freedom is slavery,” and “Ignorance is strength.” The Party maintains control through the Thought Police and continual surveillance.

It ok, they are the rich elite and powerful, they get a pass so they do everything they don’t want us to do you know because freedoms…

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Crazy times. Selling the larger gas guzzlers to fund EV. Seeing this on car lots now.

GM CEO Barra's plan for automaker to lead the industry in EV profits (msn.com)

The automaker is funding its move to EV and autonomous driving with sales of gasoline-burning pickups and large SUVs, which carry profit margins that currently dwarf those of EVs, prompting some to wonder whether EVs are a profitable business.

 

[key01]

Crazy times. Selling the larger gas guzzlers to fund EV. Seeing this on car lots now.

GM CEO Barra's plan for automaker to lead the industry in EV profits (msn.com)

The automaker is funding its move to EV and autonomous driving with sales of gasoline-burning pickups and large SUVs, which carry profit margins that currently dwarf those of EVs, prompting some to wonder whether EVs are a profitable business.

Trucks and large SUVs have always returned the highest profit margin, and why Ford is out of the sedan business. That’s not news. It only makes sense to maximize profits with those vehicles that return the highest profits to fund R&D for EV. Describing them as” gas guzzlers” is only relative to this article’s narrative. They have actually come a long way in being more fuel efficient with engine/transmission designs, etc.
Once again, this EV roll out is not happening in a year or two, so these high profit models will continue to get pushed out. Here’s part of the rub, however. Consumer confidence is now falling ( average 401k has dropped 23% for 2022) and inflation is not dropping fast enough according to today’s numbers. So, interest hikes will continue. Mortgages at all time high. Big auto purchase incentives are now here and more are coming. GM, Ford, Stellantis, are going to have some issues moving product.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Trucks and large SUVs have always returned the highest profit margin, and why Ford is out of the sedan business. That’s not news. It only makes sense to maximize profits with those vehicles that return the highest profits to fund R&D for EV. Describing them as” gas guzzlers” is only relative to this article’s narrative. They have actually come a long way in being more fuel efficient with engine/transmission designs, etc.
Once again, this EV roll out is not happening in a year or two, so these high profit models will continue to get pushed out. Here’s part of the rub, however. Consumer confidence is now falling ( average 401k has dropped 23% for 2022) and inflation is not dropping fast enough according to today’s numbers. So, interest hikes will continue. Mortgages at all time high. Big auto purchase incentives are now here and more are coming. GM, Ford, Stellantis, are going to have some issues moving product.

You’re stating the obvious. I mentioned this article to point out the irony of funding the EV’s through large gas guzzling vehicles. And despite what you say they are still gas guzzling vehicles. More gas guzzling vehicles produced in order to be more environmentally conscious.

 

[key01]

Whatever. Ignore time. Much easier than listening to your random shit. Maybe go fly your balloon.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Whatever. Ignore time. Much easier than listening to your random shit. Maybe go fly your balloon.

Oh no! Now I’m on the ignore list of Gregs24 and key01. Maybe a virtual hug will make things all better. Another one running off to his corner with tail between his legs.

 

[Burkey]

I honestly can’t wait for 2035.
It’s kinda funny watching the “fuck your feelings” crowd having a sook, based on their feelings.
The rest of us will continue putting our feelings to the side and just get on with it.
The irony is delicious..

 

[Mitch03]

Whatever. Ignore time. Much easier than listening to your random shit. Maybe go fly your balloon.

aww….did he hurt your feelings with the truth…..so you now have to make yourself feel better. Typical.

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