GM is pulling back on EVs

[jtmat]

Ok, explain it to me, how do you get 100Kwh into a battery in say 20 min?

I would use a very fast charger.

Your use of lighting comes with a lot of risk. Although, if you can make that work, you might be rich as Al Gore....

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[K4fxd]

I would use a very fast charger.

Ok, I can't tell if you drank the kool-aid or if you are being facetious.

 

[AZlb5.0]

This is what majority of the low level EV champs are ok with. The rich and powerful will still fly private planes, drive ICE vehicles and have ICE yachts and so on. EVs are for the little people, for the commoners. The saddest part is that they’ve been brainwashed to think that this is ok. If you get up in the morning and put your pants on one leg at a time you’re no more important then the guy who picks up your trash. Regardless of what anyone has made you think or what you think of yourself.

 

[sk47]

I would use a very fast charger.

Your use of lighting comes with a lot of risk. Although, if you can make that work, you might be rich as Al Gore....

Hello; Read for understanding. He did not say to use actual lightning, only to use lightning level energy. Stuffing large amounts of energy into a battery quickly is the challenge and also the problem. So far, rapid charging or discharging can make a lot of heat.

After reading your response posts in this and another thread last night I figure it two ways. The more charitable is you somehow get confused and lose track.
The other is you are just playing games with people and are throwing out nonsense post to get attention.

 

[Gregs24]

This is what majority of the low level EV champs are ok with. The rich and powerful will still fly private planes, drive ICE vehicles and have ICE yachts and so on. EVs are for the little people, for the commoners. The saddest part is that they’ve been brainwashed to think that this is ok. If you get up in the morning and put your pants on one leg at a time you’re no more important then the guy who picks up your trash. Regardless of what anyone has made you think or what you think of yourself.

Not sure who these 'brainwashed' people are but I can assure you that poor people don't drive Porsche Taycans for example!

Emissions regulations don't take any notice of how rich you are, hence the very reason regulations are used to force certain things to happen otherwise the rich would indeed just ignore them as they can afford to. This is why 'free choice' doesn't work in these situations. People would just keep on using coal, petrol, DDT, leaded fuel etc without regulations to stop them.

 

[kz]

Not sure who these 'brainwashed' people are but I can assure you that poor people don't drive Porsche Taycans for example!

Decent point. My immediate neighbor that has a Taycan Turbo (in addition to Acura NSX and AMG G63) probably doesn't see himself as very poor. One two houses down has Audi R8 and - wait for it - Kia EV6.
I probably stand out in that crowd having three V8 vehicles and one with twin-turbo V6 and not even an electric lawnmower.

But hey, I'm sure they're brainwashed and bunch of guys here know better what everyone should drive and why.

This thread is pretty comical, literally bunch of old (mentally people) yelling at the sky. It happens millions of times with any progress in any part of life. And in all these cases it was equally futile. lol.

 

[sk47]

Not sure who these 'brainwashed' people are but I can assure you that poor people don't drive Porsche Taycans for example!

Emissions regulations don't take any notice of how rich you are, hence the very reason regulations are used to force certain things to happen otherwise the rich would indeed just ignore them as they can afford to. This is why 'free choice' doesn't work in these situations. People would just keep on using coal, petrol, DDT, leaded fuel etc without regulations to stop them.

Hello; What are the odds you consider yourself among those qualified to dictate to the rest of us?
"Free choice' somehow becomes a negative for you, but is essential for the many of the rest of us.

 

[sk47]

Yet Another EV Startup Begins Laying Off Staff to Stay Afloat (msn.com)
Hello; not much new here. Just another EV startup in financial trouble to add to the list. I do have a thought. Say each EV company winds up with a battery pack/technology exclusive to it's own vehicles. Then when some of these startups fail the consumer is likely to be holding the bag so to speak.

At some point standardizing ought to be part of the scheme. Sort of like any ICE vehicle can fuel up at any service station. I do not know if battery packs can be made to be universal, but that would be a big deal if possible.
Anyway, another thing to add to the list of things to look for if i ever have to pick an EV. What got me thinking about this is the variety of battery power tools I have with different chargers and specific batteries.
I thought i was going to build up a set of hand power tools one or two at a time a few years ago but Wal-Mart stopped carrying the brand and now have a new make. .

Hello; From time-to-time things work out. Here is a link illustrating my need for 'standardizing' idea.

GM Tells Chevy Bolt EV Owner It's “Not Responsible” For Fast Charging At Non-Approved Public Stations (msn.com)

 

[sk47]

Decent point. My immediate neighbor that has a Taycan Turbo (in addition to Acura NSX and AMG G63) probably doesn't see himself as very poor. One two houses down has Audi R8 and - wait for it - Kia EV6.
I probably stand out in that crowd having three V8 vehicles and one with twin-turbo V6 and not even an electric lawnmower.

But hey, I'm sure they're brainwashed and bunch of guys here know better what everyone should drive and why.

This thread is pretty comical, literally bunch of old (mentally people) yelling at the sky. It happens millions of times with any progress in any part of life. And in all these cases it was equally futile. lol.

Hello; The issue here becomes is the 'green' & EV agenda truly progress. So far both are inferior to the existing power and transport systems with the possible exception that someday far into the future they may emit less carbon.
Even the lower carbon claim is dependent on 'green' energy sources having the capacity to replace fossil fueled power plants. Something far off into the future if indeed it can be done.

Sure the EV's and solar/wind/tidal and such have lots of chips, touch screens and computers in the mix, but such does not make it progress. I can agree that 'green' energy and EV's will be very different but not that the difference will amount to actual progress.
If/when the 'green'/EV agenda proves to work better than what they hope to replace, then it may be progress. The next question is what is the cost of this progress? Won't do much good if a large number of us cannot afford these new gadgets.

 

[kz]

Hello; The issue here becomes is the 'green' & EV agenda truly progress.

Have you driven one ? Like I've mentioned multiple times, they're far superior at just about everything what vast majority of people use ICE cars for.
With someone so outspoken about EVs it would be real neat if you had some first hand knowledge about them.

 

[sk47]

Have you driven one ? Like I've mentioned multiple times, they're far superior at just about everything what vast majority of people use ICE cars for.
With someone so outspoken about EVs it would be real neat if you had some first hand knowledge about them.

Hello; Unfortunately, this sidetrack is not important to me. Even if the EV's do drive better, such will not address the real and potential problems.
Far superior is subjective to be fair. I already know the EV pickups will not be suitable for use as a truck. I actually haul and tow with my truck.

A small EV car could do most of my monthly driving in terms of just going from A to B. So far the premium cost is a big negative (EV + charger). Get one down to be cheaper to buy than an equivalent ICE then I may look. Thing is i drive less than 6000 miles in both my car and truck per year. Usually a lot less. It takes 68,000 miles of EV driving before the EV breaks even with an ICE and starts to slowly do better in terms of emissions/ impact.

 

[kz]

"How about you try EV"

Blah blah blah blah (some completely off topic response).

Show me on the doll where EV touched you.

 

[K4fxd]

Have you driven one ? Like I've mentioned multiple times, they're far superior at just about everything what vast majority of people use ICE cars for.

Maybe maybe not. Both an ICE and an EV will get you where you want to go. The ICE has the advantage if you want to travel over 300 miles.

Define superior.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Have you driven one ? Like I've mentioned multiple times, they're far superior at just about everything what vast majority of people use ICE cars for.
With someone so outspoken about EVs it would be real neat if you had some first hand knowledge about them.

I’ve driven a Tesla and while they are confortable cars, we still have a range issue. When I was station in NC and I would drive to let’s say Arizona and back on a road trip. I could leave Tucson on a Friday at 0400 and make it back to NC by Sunday at 1730hrs. That would be impossible in an EV.
Regardless of how many charging stations there are a long the way, people are going to have to wait for a minimum of an hour for a “fast charge” and that won’t give a full charge to a Tesla for long range. You’re talking about a 10-12 hr charge for a long range drive.

So that 60 hr drive to the east coast just turned into to a 4-5 day drive. Also the cheaper the car the less range it has.

 

[Gregs24]

I’ve driven a Tesla and while they are confortable cars, we still have a range issue. When I was station in NC and I would drive to let’s say Arizona and back on a road trip. I could leave Tucson on a Friday at 0400 and make it back to NC by Sunday at 1730hrs. That would be impossible in an EV.
Regardless of how many charging stations there are a long the way, people are going to have to wait for a minimum of an hour for a “fast charge” and that won’t give a full charge to a Tesla for long range. You’re talking about a 10-12 hr charge for a long range drive.

So that 60 hr drive to the east coast just turned into to a 4-5 day drive. Also the cheaper the car the less range it has.

Complete rubbish. 10-12 hours for a complete charge - what from a generator in the back yard powered by a donkey.

Yes you need infrastructure and rapid chargers for long distances, but as you know (if you bothered to check) the average journey length in the US is 11 miles (slightly more than the UK 9 miles). So for MOST people MOST of the time EV's work just fine.

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