GM is pulling back on EVs

[Gregs24]

Just to add in here, it is fantastic to hear that the UK is doing all of the things that it is doing and that the "science" is all there to point to a fabulous future of cheap energy. However, right across the channel is a nation that provides much of its energy to its people with nuclear plants. News here is that Scandia Labs in Livermore just had a big deal with fusion a couple of weeks ago. I think in terms of how many solar deserts and ugly ass wind turbines I would not have to look at and the really "cheap" and safe energy I could be getting if we used nuclear. I believe the last nuclear plant that was commissioned here in the US was at least 50 years ago. If it is good enough to power our carriers, submarines, and God knows what else, I have to believe that it has made great strides in safety in the last 50-60 years.

Nuclear is and always will be part of the future, Fusion especially so. It will never be cheap though. Wind farms at sea (as the UK uses) are not visible from land, and many people do not consider them ugly. Windmills were everywhere at one point 100 years ago!

Planning for the future involves more than what is cheap now.

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[Gregs24]

If the numbers are correct, that fusion success could be remembered as a very important point in human history.

Fusion has always been the answer. But it’s always a couple decades away.

Indeed. But according to those that know that '20 years away' is no longer a rolling 20 years but counting down.

 

[Gregs24]

Rotterdam’s hydrogen demand is forecast to reach 18 million tonnes per annum by 2050.”

That is a lot of Hydrogen considering how heavy it isn't!

 

[Paul McWhiskey]

You see, here our super elite don't want wind farms in their sea because that is where they go to play on their 15-million-dollar yachts. There will not be any wind farms off the coast of Delaware any time soon to be sure. Nor any other area where the super-rich (John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Gates, Bono, Warren Buffet, et al.) play. Nor will there be any solar deserts anywhere near their private ranches.

One of my greatest concerns with solar farms is the desert that they create. I am not a bunny hugger by any stretch, but what lives where they build the solar deserts? The temperature of the soil is reduced under them so that creatures who live in or under the soil are affected. No plant life will grow under the panels. No plant life, no food supply for small creatures. No small creatures, no larger ones. And so on. Seems that we are only trading one kind of environmental scar for another by attempting to change the world to soar energy. The footprint of nuclear, as compared to miles and miles of solar panels, seems to make more sense. Not to mention the efficiency of nuclear production.

 

[Gregs24]

You see, here our super elite don't want wind farms in their sea because that is where they go to play on their 15-million-dollar yachts. There will not be any wind farms off the coast of Delaware any time soon to be sure. Nor any other area where the super-rich (John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Gates, Bono, Warren Buffet, et al.) play. Nor will there be any solar deserts anywhere near their private ranches.

One of my greatest concerns with solar farms is the desert that they create. I am not a bunny hugger by any stretch, but what lives where they build the solar deserts? The temperature of the soil is reduced under them so that creatures who live in of under the soil are affected. No plant life will grow under the panels. No plant life, no food supply for small creatures. No small creatures, no larger ones. And so on. Seems that we are only trading one kind of environmental scar for another by attempting to change the world to soar energy. The footprint of nuclear, as compared to miles and miles of solar panels, seems to make more sense. Not to mention the efficiency of nuclear production.

Doesn't seem to be a big issue here

NSC_-Guid_Agricultural-good-practice-for-SFs_0914.pdf (bre.co.uk)

When it comes to solar farms, sheep are great groundskeepers | Ars Technica

The wind farms are well offshore - you can't see much from land, it is only competing with oil rigs when it comes to the view!

Our Offshore Wind Farms in the United Kingdom | Ørsted (orsted.co.uk)

 

[sk47]

Toyota's CEO isn't fully sold on electric cars — and he says a 'silent majority' is on his side (msn.com)

Hello; A thing of interest is his reasoning is very much the same as some have voiced in this thread.

 

[Paul McWhiskey]

Doesn't seem to be a big issue here

NSC_-Guid_Agricultural-good-practice-for-SFs_0914.pdf (bre.co.uk)

When it comes to solar farms, sheep are great groundskeepers | Ars Technica

The wind farms are well offshore - you can't see much from land, it is only competing with oil rigs when it comes to the view!

Our Offshore Wind Farms in the United Kingdom | Ørsted (orsted.co.uk)

Good that it is not a problem there. Smaller needs and smaller solar installations.

Here, our genii have introduced legislation that would make it illegal to pilot a vessel over 35' in length faster than 11 MPH within, and I may be off on this, 200 miles of shore in order to protect the 350 Right Whales that have never been reported to have been struck by sea going vessels. I doubt that this is more than appeasement to one animal rights group or another because I doubt that any of the aforementioned will stand for the uncomfortable ride they would have to endure on their yachts at that low speed. And, how much more difficult it would be to land and take off with the Helo. Same with having to fly with wind generators in their playgrounds.

 

[Gregs24]

Good that it is not a problem there. Smaller needs and smaller solar installations.

Here, our genii have introduced legislation that would make it illegal to pilot a vessel over 35' in length faster than 11 MPH within, and I may be off on this, 200 miles of shore in order to protect the 350 Right Whales that have never been reported to have been struck by sea going vessels. I doubt that this is more than appeasement to one animal rights group or another because I doubt that any of the aforementioned will stand for the uncomfortable ride they would have to endure on their yachts at that low speed. And, how much more difficult it would be to land and take off with the Helo. Same with having to fly with wind generators in their playgrounds.

Size is not relevant, installation position is.

Not that small either The UK’s 5 Biggest Solar Farms | Community Solar | Deege Solar

Although some in China and India are bigger Top 5 Largest Solar Power Plants in the World (2022) (ornatesolar.com)

 

[jtmat]

Good that it is not a problem there. Smaller needs and smaller solar installations.

Here, our genii have introduced legislation that would make it illegal to pilot a vessel over 35' in length faster than 11 MPH within, and I may be off on this, 200 miles of shore in order to protect the 350 Right Whales that have never been reported to have been struck by sea going vessels. I doubt that this is more than appeasement to one animal rights group or another because I doubt that any of the aforementioned will stand for the uncomfortable ride they would have to endure on their yachts at that low speed. And, how much more difficult it would be to land and take off with the Helo. Same with having to fly with wind generators in their playgrounds.

Over 20,000 whales die by boat strike each year... and that 1/3 of right whales die by boat strike. Is that not true?

Example is below. Is that picture of a right whale?

February 17, 2022
Florida sportfishing captain describes fatal right whale strike

https://www.nationalfisherman.com/g...ng-captain-describes-fatal-right-whale-strike

Doesn't seem to be a big issue here

NSC_-Guid_Agricultural-good-practice-for-SFs_0914.pdf (bre.co.uk)

When it comes to solar farms, sheep are great groundskeepers | Ars Technica

The wind farms are well offshore - you can't see much from land, it is only competing with oil rigs when it comes to the view!

Our Offshore Wind Farms in the United Kingdom | Ørsted (orsted.co.uk)

Agree... does not seem to be an issue...

https://www.wired.com/story/growing-crops-under-solar-panels-now-theres-a-bright-idea/

https://www.virginiamercury.com/202...nels-be-placed-on-land-that-can-produce-food/

 

[Paul McWhiskey]

jtmat?

"and that 1/3 of right whales die by boat strike."

If one third of Right Whales died by boat strike each year or even every 5 years and there are only 350 left today, they aren't even going to make it to the end of the earth by AOC's calculations. Give us a break here, Bro.

You have a lot of work to do if you want to be like Greg24.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

jtmat?

"and that 1/3 of right whales die by boat strike."

If one third of Right Whales died by boat strike each year or even every 5 years and there are only 350 left today, they aren't even going to make it to the end of the earth by AOC's calculations. Give us a break here, Bro.

You have a lot of work to do if you want to be like Greg24.

eh, it could work out. if you assume that hte majority of those killed by boat strike are old and unable to dive quickly when a large boat is approaching. not 1/3 of the total 20k, kind of confusing how he stated it though.

 

[Gregs24]

jtmat?

"and that 1/3 of right whales die by boat strike."

If one third of Right Whales died by boat strike each year or even every 5 years and there are only 350 left today, they aren't even going to make it to the end of the earth by AOC's calculations. Give us a break here, Bro.

Of course a third of a reducing number means less deaths from boat strike every year - it is a third of the remaining population not a third of 350 each year, otherwise they would be gone in 3 years. However the maths isn't that simple as there are minimum numbers required for a breeding population so it could be that when the population drops to say 100 breeding will stop.

 

[jtmat]

jtmat?

"and that 1/3 of right whales die by boat strike."

If one third of Right Whales died by boat strike each year or even every 5 years and there are only 350 left today, they aren't even going to make it to the end of the earth by AOC's calculations. Give us a break here, Bro.

You have a lot of work to do if you want to be like Greg24.

Reading comprehension... 20,000 is all whales. 1/3 is only right whales... so if 10 right whales die... what is 1/3 of 10 (if 10 die each year). Not that difficult if you understand the subject YOU brought up! Not that difficult to google search, if you don't understand.

Here, our genii have introduced legislation that would make it illegal to pilot a vessel over 35' in length faster than 11 MPH within, and I may be off on this, 200 miles of shore in order to protect the 350 Right Whales that have never been reported to have been struck by sea going vessels.

The real joke here is you did not bother to look it up yourself... you took the word of some website/TV news personality and ran with it.

Look at what you wrote above. You were too busy trying to make a political remark that you fumbled. Politics consume people like you way too much.

AOC? Really? Some of you guys seem to be in love with her. And that picture of Greta when she was 16 (you guys are infatuated with her... in every single thread).

Like Greg24? No, I give you credit to at least look something up every now and again. That fails every single time. Instead of saying "oh, I was wrong" you try a failed attack. Get real.... "bro".

 

[Tinpot]

This thread’s taken a turn….

 

[sk47]

This thread’s taken a turn….

Hello; Yes, but we are having a whale of a time.

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