GM is pulling back on EVs

[AZlb5.0]

What a miserable, pathetic, sniveling little fool you are. Who are you to criticize how or where he lives. AZlb5, you don’t owe this dufus any explanation.

I don’t think he did it as a dig on me.

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[tripleyellowmustang]

Good for you. I agree with it all. Put my kids through college as well so they had a clean start. Sold the big house and paid cash for the smaller house in a quiet community. No debt, but spending all the money on grandkids.

If your statement was not meant as a put down, then my apologies.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Good for you. I agree with it all. Put my kids through college as well so they had a clean start. Sold the big house and paid cash for the smaller house in a quiet community. No debt, but spending all the money on grandkids.

We don’t have grandkids yet. And to be honest I think my wife will be the one to enjoy them. But I’m good with that.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

We don’t have grandkids yet. And to be honest I think my wife will be the one to enjoy them. But I’m good with that.

With all your travel it’s seems you and your wife are really enjoying yourselves.

 

[key01]

We don’t have grandkids yet. And to be honest I think my wife will be the one to enjoy them. But I’m good with that.

They are special and you will enjoy them also. Unfortunately, mine are in Los Angeles with us in the Midwest. Lots of going back and forth.

 

[AZlb5.0]

They are special and you will enjoy them also. Unfortunately, mine are in Los Angeles with us in the Midwest. Lots of going back and forth.

Do you guys have a 5th wheel or an RV? They make travel a lot easier and I’m sure the kiddos would love it. We are contemplating on getting an RV. Just have to find one we can pay cash for. Maybe one that needs a bit remodel that we can do on our own.

 

[AZlb5.0]

With all your travel it’s seems you and your wife are really enjoying yourselves.

We definitely are. Traveling is fun. As a young single private I was stationed in Germany. Travelled everywhere. Want my kids to experience some of that also.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Sounds like a great plan Carlos.

 

[key01]

Do you guys have a 5th wheel or an RV? They make travel a lot easier and I’m sure the kiddos would love it. We are contemplating on getting an RV. Just have to find one we can pay cash for. Maybe one that needs a bit remodel that we can do on our own.

I camped a lot as a kid growing up in Iowa. I could never get my wife interested in camping and tried talking her into an RV. No go. My Tacoma can only tow 6,500#, so it would have to be small. Before Covid you could buy a decent older RV with low miles for between $35K and $50K. I think that’s the way to go rather than tow. Just pull a small toad.

 

[sk47]

Do you guys have a 5th wheel or an RV? They make travel a lot easier and I’m sure the kiddos would love it. We are contemplating on getting an RV. Just have to find one we can pay cash for. Maybe one that needs a bit remodel that we can do on our own.

Hello; Two summers ago my younger brother bought a camper trailer. He is in his mid 60's and has reduced his work to a few days a month. I was not with him when he decided to buy the used camper trailer, but have been around it a lot since.
It was parked on my property for several months while we fixed it up. He bought from an individual rather than a dealership. Wish I knew what to point out about used campers in general but only have experience with the one.
One take is I think buying from a dealer would have saved us a lot of work. Maybe spend more money at a dealer but some things would have been ironed out that were problems for us. Biggest thing is I simply did not know what was a big problem and what was a small problem at first. This is a 30 foot trailer a construction worker towed around and lived in when on jobs around the country.
First thing we had to fix were the valves on the black and grey water tanks. Not a fun job but way better to find out when it was parked at my place than at a camp site. A lot of it was learning how things work as so much was new to us. The two of us trying to figure out how to winterize the plumbing was funny. Interesting how easy some things are once you learn how they work.

Last thing. All the campgrounds in my area were full of permanent campers with no spots left for weekend campers at all. This is around Norris Lake in TN. My home is about 20 miles from that lake. We went to all the campgrounds in the area of the lake. Campbell county, Claiborne County, Union County and that area. My brother wanted a permanent camp site, and it took just under year for one to open up. Point is I do not know what traveling folks would do about finding camper spots. Might be worth a few checks.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Hello; Two summers ago my younger brother bought a camper trailer. He is in his mid 60's and has reduced his work to a few days a month. I was not with him when he decided to buy the used camper trailer, but have been around it a lot since.
It was parked on my property for several months while we fixed it up. He bought from an individual rather than a dealership. Wish I knew what to point out about used campers in general but only have experience with the one.
One take is I think buying from a dealer would have saved us a lot of work. Maybe spend more money at a dealer but some things would have been ironed out that were problems for us. Biggest thing is I simply did not know what was a big problem and what was a small problem at first. This is a 30 foot trailer a construction worker towed around and lived in when on jobs around the country.
First thing we had to fix were the valves on the black and grey water tanks. Not a fun job but way better to find out when it was parked at my place than at a camp site. A lot of it was learning how things work as so much was new to us. The two of us trying to figure out how to winterize the plumbing was funny. Interesting how easy some things are once you learn how they work.

Last thing. All the campgrounds in my area were full of permanent campers with no spots left for weekend campers at all. This is around Norris Lake in TN. My home is about 20 miles from that lake. We went to all the campgrounds in the area of the lake. Campbell county, Claiborne County, Union County and that area. My brother wanted a permanent camp site, and it took just under year for one to open up. Point is I do not know what traveling folks would do about finding camper spots. Might be worth a few checks.

Thanks for the info much appreciated. I have a couple of good buddies that own so I would ask them to go with me when I start earnestly looking. But definitely some good points.

 

[Burkey]

How is this glut of real-time and current emission of Co2 from building farms justified (rationalized) by the champions? Much like the per-capita argument for excusing China's coal emissions, it is couched in per kilowatt/hour output over twenty years time.

Rather than trying to address each and every point you’ve made, I’ll focus on this gem

Take the word “justified” or “rationalised”. Replace that with ”accept” Replace “champions” with “those who trust that the science is correct”. Replace “glut“ with “very short term increase”

Now it reads VERY differently, yes?
“How is this very short term increase of real-time and current emission of Co2 from building farms accepted by those who trust that the science is correct?”

Now for the second part.

Much like the per-capita FIGURE for UNDERSTANDING China's coal emissions,

And this part makes no sense whatsoever. I literally have no idea what you’re talking about here.

it is couched in per kilowatt/hour output over twenty years time.

How about we insert some facts into this?
The typical solar panel offsets its production emissions in 1-3 years. So yes, you get 1-3 years of emissions released immediately for every panel produced. The flip side being, that panels that were produced between 1-3 years ago, are now already providing “real time” benefits.

Another fact? Ok, shall we talk about the part where 50% of the worlds EV’s are being sold in China? Should we mention YET AGAIN, that the Chinese produce something like 47% of their power from renewables?

It’s not about “excusing” China. It’s about recognising that they’re doing a lot better on that front than the US.
It‘s also about recognising that producing solar panels and other electricity dense manufacturing, is typically better for the planet when done in China than in the US,

And then there’s the elephant in the room that not one of your media sources would’ve explained to you in their “China fear mongering“ sessions……

“My calculations suggest that if China was to quickly lift its total fertility rate back to the replacement rate of 2.1 and keep it there, it would take 40 or more years before China’s population began to consistently grow again.

And bringing fertility back to 2.1 is most unlikely. Evidence from European countries, which were the first to experience fertility declines and ageing, shows that once fertility falls below replacement it is very hard to return it to 2.1.

If China was instead merely able to lift fertility to 1.3 by 2033, then gradually to 1.49 by the end of this century as the United Nations assumed last year, China’s population would continue to decline indefinitely. That central UN projection has China’s population roughly halving to 766.67 million by the end of the century.

Just as likely is that China’s total fertility rate will slip even lower. The Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences experts a drop to 1.1, pushing China’s population down to 587 million in 2100.

A more severe scenario, put forward by the United Nations as its low case, is a drop in total fertility to around 0.8, giving China a population of only 488 million by the end of the century, about one third of its present level.”

So there you have it, that’s yet another way that China will curb their emissions without having to make any changes to their policy. NOW do you understand the reasoning for using the per capita figure?

I wish I was going to be around to laugh long and hard when the US has more people than China, and suddenly people like you will start wanting to use the “per capita” figure to attack China once again.

It’s gonna be WILD. Such a shame to miss it.

 

[sk47]

Rather than trying to address each and every point you’ve made, I’ll focus on this gem

Take the word “justified” or “rationalised”. Replace that with ”accept” Replace “champions” with “those who trust that the science is correct”. Replace “glut“ with “very short term increase”

Now it reads VERY differently, yes?
“How is this very short term increase of real-time and current emission of Co2 from building farms accepted by those who trust that the science is correct?”

Now for the second part.

Much like the per-capita FIGURE for UNDERSTANDING China's coal emissions,

And this part makes no sense whatsoever. I literally have no idea what you’re talking about here.

it is couched in per kilowatt/hour output over twenty years time.

How about we insert some facts into this?
The typical solar panel offsets its production emissions in 1-3 years. So yes, you get 1-3 years of emissions released immediately for every panel produced. The flip side being, that panels that were produced between 1-3 years ago, are now already providing “real time” benefits.

Another fact? Ok, shall we talk about the part where 50% of the worlds EV’s are being sold in China? Should we mention YET AGAIN, that the Chinese produce something like 47% of their power from renewables?

It’s not about “excusing” China. It’s about recognising that they’re doing a lot better on that front than the US.
It‘s also about recognising that producing solar panels and other electricity dense manufacturing, is typically better for the planet when done in China than in the US,

And then there’s the elephant in the room that not one of your media sources would’ve explained to you in their “China fear mongering“ sessions……

“My calculations suggest that if China was to quickly lift its total fertility rate back to the replacement rate of 2.1 and keep it there, it would take 40 or more years before China’s population began to consistently grow again.

And bringing fertility back to 2.1 is most unlikely. Evidence from European countries, which were the first to experience fertility declines and ageing, shows that once fertility falls below replacement it is very hard to return it to 2.1.

If China was instead merely able to lift fertility to 1.3 by 2033, then gradually to 1.49 by the end of this century as the United Nations assumed last year, China’s population would continue to decline indefinitely. That central UN projection has China’s population roughly halving to 766.67 million by the end of the century.

Just as likely is that China’s total fertility rate will slip even lower. The Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences experts a drop to 1.1, pushing China’s population down to 587 million in 2100.

A more severe scenario, put forward by the United Nations as its low case, is a drop in total fertility to around 0.8, giving China a population of only 488 million by the end of the century, about one third of its present level.”

So there you have it, that’s yet another way that China will curb their emissions without having to make any changes to their policy. NOW do you understand the reasoning for using the per capita figure?

I wish I was going to be around to laugh long and hard when the US has more people than China, and suddenly people like you will start wanting to use the “per capita” figure to attack China once again.

It’s gonna be WILD. Such a shame to miss it.

Hello; The question was about wind turbines not solar panels.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Rather than trying to address each and every point you’ve made, I’ll focus on this gem

Take the word “justified” or “rationalised”. Replace that with ”accept” Replace “champions” with “those who trust that the science is correct”. Replace “glut“ with “very short term increase”

Now it reads VERY differently, yes?
“How is this very short term increase of real-time and current emission of Co2 from building farms accepted by those who trust that the science is correct?”

Now for the second part.

Much like the per-capita FIGURE for UNDERSTANDING China's coal emissions,

And this part makes no sense whatsoever. I literally have no idea what you’re talking about here.

it is couched in per kilowatt/hour output over twenty years time.

How about we insert some facts into this?
The typical solar panel offsets its production emissions in 1-3 years. So yes, you get 1-3 years of emissions released immediately for every panel produced. The flip side being, that panels that were produced between 1-3 years ago, are now already providing “real time” benefits.

Another fact? Ok, shall we talk about the part where 50% of the worlds EV’s are being sold in China? Should we mention YET AGAIN, that the Chinese produce something like 47% of their power from renewables?

It’s not about “excusing” China. It’s about recognising that they’re doing a lot better on that front than the US.
It‘s also about recognising that producing solar panels and other electricity dense manufacturing, is typically better for the planet when done in China than in the US,

And then there’s the elephant in the room that not one of your media sources would’ve explained to you in their “China fear mongering“ sessions……

“My calculations suggest that if China was to quickly lift its total fertility rate back to the replacement rate of 2.1 and keep it there, it would take 40 or more years before China’s population began to consistently grow again.

And bringing fertility back to 2.1 is most unlikely. Evidence from European countries, which were the first to experience fertility declines and ageing, shows that once fertility falls below replacement it is very hard to return it to 2.1.

If China was instead merely able to lift fertility to 1.3 by 2033, then gradually to 1.49 by the end of this century as the United Nations assumed last year, China’s population would continue to decline indefinitely. That central UN projection has China’s population roughly halving to 766.67 million by the end of the century.

Just as likely is that China’s total fertility rate will slip even lower. The Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences experts a drop to 1.1, pushing China’s population down to 587 million in 2100.

A more severe scenario, put forward by the United Nations as its low case, is a drop in total fertility to around 0.8, giving China a population of only 488 million by the end of the century, about one third of its present level.”

So there you have it, that’s yet another way that China will curb their emissions without having to make any changes to their policy. NOW do you understand the reasoning for using the per capita figure?

I wish I was going to be around to laugh long and hard when the US has more people than China, and suddenly people like you will start wanting to use the “per capita” figure to attack China once again.

It’s gonna be WILD. Such a shame to miss it.

Just addressing Chinas population decline. The one child policy has left China in a disarray. There isn’t enough people to help keep sustaining the nations military much less the economy. I had a friend back in the early 2000s that said that by 2030 China would be in such dire straits population wise that he would not be supieses of the whole countries economy and country would collapse.

And we won’t even delve into the suicide rate there. It’s astronomical. People used to throw themselves out windows at their workplace during bathroom breaks, because of the inhumane conditions they have to endure. Why now they shackle people to their work area having to use a bucket to urinate and defaecate.

At the time he was an engineer and his company manufactured many of their products there.

 

[Burkey]

Just addressing Chinas population decline. The one child policy has left China in a disarray. There isn’t enough people to help keep sustaining the nations military much less the economy. I had a friend back in the early 2000s that said that by 2030 China would be in such dire straits population wise that he would not be supieses of the whole countries economy and country would collapse.

And we won’t even delve into the suicide rate there. It’s astronomical. People used to throw themselves out windows at their workplace during bathroom breaks, because of the inhumane conditions they have to endure. Why now they shackle people to their work area having to use a bucket to urinate and defaecate.

At the time he was an engineer and his company manufactured many of their products there.

I can’t honestly say that I’m a fan of MANY of the things that China has done. But, on this ONE issue, they’re leaps and bounds ahead of MANY countries, yours and mine included.

In terms of climate, I’d be more worried about India, Australia and the US than I would be about China. Of course, to some, that makes me some kind of sympathiser because in their mind there‘s only two options, for or against.

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