Gig's Performance Engineering 77mm Ported Throttle body

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    Installed mine today. 15 min job took 4 hours because of ONE stripped bolt... Had to literally break the old throttle body where the 4th bolt is connected in order to unscrew it. I know this looks like a horror show but it got the job done. This pic is off the old tb

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    I will be looking into this but I’m boosted. Will it be overkill
     
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    Nothing is overkill when you're already boosted lol. Probably makes even more of a difference because increased airflow that helps with boost, but definitely not necessary.
     
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    Thanks for the response. I just installed 65 lb injectors but stay 93 and will be getting my e85 tune this week depending on my tuners schedule. I might dyno the car to see what gains it got if any. N then again when I switch to e85. Would anyone be interested in the results. I will also look into doing this mod next
     
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    I'd be interested, but wouldn't expect anything more than maybe 5hp from a TB. E85 will be the much bigger difference.
     
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    So is the blade the same or does he switch that out as well?
     
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    That part I'm not so sure on honestly...
     
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    This is interesting I was wondering if I can just get someone to port my current one. Also Do you all suggest the ported one over the gt throttle body.
     
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    #29 USMCtoARMY, Feb 6, 2019
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    Just get the GT/F150 throttle body...did everyone forget about this mod and its low cost. I get the ease of just plug and play on this mod though too. To each they own.
     
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    To answer your question @mustangv6magn yes you can get someone to port you current one for about 125 dollars. Check out
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    I actually had my GT/F150 throttlebody (TB) done by him. I only spent 90 on the GT/F150 on an ebay auction and then 135 total for the porting and shipping plus 50 for the TB adapter. So grand total for an 85mm TB was 275. Yes, it was bit overkill but i wanted to be ready for boost with everything ported. Though now I have to get the metal adapter which is 100.00 and I just might also have to get it port matched. Thinking of just buying a used TB spacer meant for the GT and making my own adapter and port matching. Would be a cheaper alternative I think.
     
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    I don't know if they do it for just the adapter plate, but Paul can port the adapters ordered through Rocket Performance.

    Brent has tested a few setups and is adamant that the larger TB hurts performance (or at the very least doesn't help), BUT boost is a different animal all around.
     
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    Ill say this...I did the TB before a tune and the TB alone felt like I had put a mild tune on the car. It vastly improved throttle response BUT it definitely felt like at certain times the airflow was too much and it actually would bog down the performance. After a tune it felt great. The porting didn't affect the "feel" that much, but again it is all for prep for boost. As far as the adapter plate goes I would be doing that locally with a shop or just myself. That's just enlarging the opening area and smoothing it. Nothing special like doing the whole TB or intakes. I have the basic skill to do this, I ported my original plenum myself before getting the whole intake ported.
     
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    I think you would need a tune. Our cars don't use a maf, they use a map. If you think about it you are increasing the volume of air but not the pressure. The ecu won't realize the extra air so it would not add fuel causing a lean condition. Not an expert, just thinking logically.
     
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    I did ported intakes which is a lot more air volume than a ported or GT throttle body and MPT said everything was spot on. The car adjusts for itself because of the MAP instead of MAF.
     
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    Doesn't really make sense though. Your not increasing the pressure in the manifold in any way. Your increase the flow of air by reducing restrictions. The manifold absolute pressure (MAP) is going to be the same regardless, the mass air flow (MAF) is what is being increased. Shouldn't you need to adjust the volumetric efficiency tables to compensate? I'm sure it figures it out once the o2 sensor reads the lean condition, but by then it's too late. That's probably why some experience a "bog" on initial acceleration because it runs lean until the o2 sensor picks it up and the ecu starts adding fuel.
     
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    It would probably adjust the long term fuel trims after a while, but a map sensor can't physically measure air flow. It only measures absolute pressure and temperature. Neither one of those will be affected by any porting. Porting will increase air flow by making the path of the air easier. The air is still going to be at ambient pressure and temperature.
     
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    The MAP Sensor is just one piece of the puzzle. It actually reads the difference between the pressure inside the intake versus atmospheric pressure. This value is then used by the ECU (along with intake temp, engine temp, and 02 sensor readings) to get a calculated air flow. Simplified it's a table inside the ECU that takes the MAP sensor readings and adjusts based on RPM, load, temp etc etc.
     
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    If the engine is able to take advantage of the extra air flow from ported intakes and cat deletes without a tune issue, it can take advantage of the smaller change from the ported throttle body was my point. So no, a tune is not needed for the throttle body.
     
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    I'm not saying that a tune is required. The ecu should eventually adjust it's long term fuel trims to compensate for the engine running lean all the time. This would take a little while though so it would explain why some people experience a bog when they first fit one.
     
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    How can it compare the difference inside and out? Is there another ambient pressure sensor outside of the manifold somewhere? In a NA engine at WOT the pressure inside the manifold should be atmospheric ported or not.
     
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