Gas prices dropping soon?

[K4fxd]

I suspect the UK ban will get pushed back.

When we start paying 1 dollar or more per KWh people will vote out the green agenda.

Now if a fuel cell EV becomes cost effective then the switch will happen on it's own.

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[NFG19]

I suspect the UK ban will get pushed back.

When we start paying 1 dollar or more per KWh people will vote out the green agenda.

Now if a fuel cell EV becomes cost effective then the switch will happen on it's own.

Right that’s another thing. The power company’s are gonna want to increase rates! They are already adding fees if you run solar panels in some states!

 

[sk47]

Hello; Looks as we are back at the distinction makes a difference bit when it comes to the definition of what is voluntary and what being forced to do something is. Much the same as the covid vaccines and perhaps as likely to have a similar poor outcome.

Some want to hinge this on a very slim technical point. Just as with the shots you could avoid compliance if you were willing to give up things such as jobs or long-term careers. That some highly trained military had to leave service over those mandates comes to mind.

In a normal marketplace the EV would have a shot to prove itself and for those it suited perhaps a place in their garage. (Opps, I mean unless there is a do not park inside notice attached.) That is the way it ought to be. Some buy Fords. Some buy Chevy. Some buy something else. Fact is around the year 2000 the hybrid with the help of some unfair federal incentives found a small niche in the overall automobile world. I even tried out a few over the years to see if they made sense. In the end I kept my manual trans ICE small sedan as it was more fun to drive. The hybrids i looked at seemed like appliances. But I did not actively dislike them. Seemed a financial boondoggle in that no real money was saved as they cost so much more than an ICE appliance equivalent.
Here is what I think happened. For years the destruction of our oil supply was predicted and signs pointed to peak oil at around 2004-05. My guess is a few companies tried to get on board early with fuel saving alternative hybrids. That could very well have happened had the oil supply actually started to dwindle month by month. Fuel costs would have closed the gap and made a hybrid more practical. Those with an environmental agenda saw light at the end of the tunnel since they were convinced fossil fuels are bad.

Well, that did not happen. Tech made oil and natural gas again plentiful enough that an expensive EV or hybrid made no financial sense. Prospects for plentiful oil, natural gas and coal for decades to come. So, the true believers moved on to plan B. That is to artificially push the issues. The EV is still too expensive and much too impractical to use the way we have become accustomed to using an ICE so a two-pronged approach was needed.

First is stoking the fear of a gloom and doom future with cries of man-made global warming and climate change. There actually may be a layer of human impact on the climate spread thin on top of natural forces which have constantly changed the climate for hundreds of millions of years. Even the top climate folks say it is too late to stop or reverse human induced climate change anyway. If we went to zero carbon emissions today no discernable effect until maybe 50 or 100 years from now. That makes it 2072 by my clock at the earliest. Plenty more meat on those bones for other discussion.
But true or not the fear itself is being used to drive an agenda against fossil fuels. Would not matter much without some power to back up the agenda. Then some true believers got positions of power and have been pushing the agendas with federal and state legislation or ex orders. Things such as no new ICE sales after a certain date. So, by 2030 or 2035 sale of new ICE will end in some places. These things will save the planet is the supposed carrot.

That China and India are not on board and will be upping coal use all along seems not to have penetrated the thinking of the agenda. An irony being most of the "green" stuff we will need to transition to the EV & renewable world at least locally will be made in China using coal as a power source.

But i get it, technically we are not being forced if a very narrow definition is used. Another heads I lose and tails you win sort of spin.

 

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[Bikeman315]

About half that in parts of the EU right now. They are toast. Italy is at .56 kWh right now. ouch

My power bill last month would be $1512. Instead it was $324.

Just wait until your grid destroys itself. Then your bill goes down to $0.00. I'd be looking at solar power if I lived in Texas.

 

[Bikeman315]

Regular
$3.659

Premium
$4.159

Diesel
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Once the price has started coming down no one gives a shit. It's back to the old ICE vs. EV stuff.

By the way, still got you beat.

 

[Bikeman315]

But let's not celebrate yet.

Why expensive gasoline is here to stay!!

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[sk47]

About half that in parts of the EU right now. They are toast. Italy is at .56 kWh right now. ouch

My power bill last month would be $1512. Instead it was $324.

Hello; back in the 1960's or 70's there were TV ads for all electric homes. This was before heat pumps. The homes were new builds with electric heat. I bought one of those homes 12 years ago. All the floor heaters were turned off and some previous owner had upgraded to a heat pump.
Back when the hype about the all-electric homes started many of us had coal for heat. The idea was the electric heat was clean and convenient. Just twist a small knob. Thing was the cost of electricity did not stay cheap enough. The heat units were basic resistant wire type heat. push electricity thru a resistant wire and it gets hot. Uses a lot of power. Same as the resistant coils in an oven, electric stove top burner or waterheater.
I have removed some of the old floor units and all other are both turned off and the circuit breakers off. In a sense the home is still electric heat using the heat pump for heat or AC.

Point being the cost of electricity almost surely will go up. Some increase to pay for all the new grid which will have to be built. Some for all the green windmills and solar panels we will buy from China. Some from supply and demand when all those charging EV's compete with TV's, laptops, stoves, lights, waterheaters, AC, heat pumps and so on.

The previous homeowners of this house did two things. They added a heat pump with all the duct work. They added a chimney to the house. I refurbished the chimney and got a small wood stove. Most days I use the heat pump for heat. On very cold days I build a small fire as the heat pump is inefficient at and below freezing temps.

My guess is the first builder/owner of this house came up against it with the electric bills at some point and made a change. One fear I can picture is some set of mandates about EV's and green energy will have so many of us up against it at some point when we do not have some other way to turn. I bought up a few years supply of wood last spring so will not be too cold for a while. Might become too expensive to buy more wood in the future but for now i am OK.

 

[sk47]

Just wait until your grid destroys itself. Then your bill goes down to $0.00. I'd be looking at solar power if I lived in Texas.

Hello; Like one government lacky said not long ago when questioned about high gas prices. If you cannot afford gas, go buy an EV.

I begin to suspect you are trolling us just to get reactions.

 

[Bikeman315]

Hello; back in the 1960's or 70's there were TV ads for all electric homes. This was before heat pumps. The homes were new builds with electric heat. I bought one of those homes 12 years ago. All the floor heaters were turned off and some previous owner had upgraded to a heat pump.
Back when the hype about the all-electric homes started many of us had coal for heat. The idea was the electric heat was clean and convenient. Just twist a small knob. Thing was the cost of electricity did not stay cheap enough. The heat units were basic resistant wire type heat. push electricity thru a resistant wire and it gets hot. Uses a lot of power. Same as the resistant coils in an oven, electric stove top burner or waterheater.
I have removed some of the old floor units and all other are both turned off and the circuit breakers off. In a sense the home is still electric heat using the heat pump for heat or AC.

Point being the cost of electricity almost surely will go up. Some increase to pay for all the new grid which will have to be built. Some for all the green windmills and solar panels we will buy from China. Some from supply and demand when all those charging EV's compete with TV's, laptops, stoves, lights, waterheaters, AC, heat pumps and so on.

The previous homeowners of this house did two things. They added a heat pump with all the duct work. They added a chimney to the house. I refurbished the chimney and got a small wood stove. Most days I use the heat pump for heat. On very cold days I build a small fire as the heat pump is inefficient at and below freezing temps.

My guess is the first builder/owner of this house came up against it with the electric bills at some point and made a change. One fear I can picture is some set of mandates about EV's and green energy will have so many of us up against it at some point when we do not have some other way to turn. I bought up a few years supply of wood last spring so will not be too cold for a while. Might become too expensive to buy more wood in the future but for now i am OK.

This is where alternate sources of energy come in. We have to get beyond buying our electricity from the grid. It is doable but, right now, the alternatives are also in their infancy. My friend just put an array of solar panels. He says it will run his entire house and even a car when the time eventually comes. He's still connected and there is a cost in doing so but not getting a massive electric bill every month was well worth it in his circumstances. Everyones mileage will differ.

 

[Bikeman315]

Hello; Like one government lacky said not long ago when questioned about high gas prices. If you cannot afford gas, go buy an EV.

I begin to suspect you are trolling us just to get reactions.

Nope not in the least. We just have two diametric opposing views on this issue. But the reality is that the grid is breaking down and will needs billions to upgrade it. This is with or without EV's. Texas is a freaking disaster. It is not if but when the grid will fail again. I haven't hard much about the state government doing much to assure this doesn't happen again.

 

[LSchicago]

In the UK and some American States the no sell date is 2030. When I cannot buy a NEW ICE car, because they are BANNED, that is being forced.

I keep seeing the horse and buggy analogy. That dog won't hunt because no one ever banned horses or buggies.

Ford has publicly announced that the Windsor plant is committed to building ICE engines in that plant until 2040, so I don't think they are going away in 2030.

 

[Bikeman315]

Ford has publicly announced that the Windsor plant is committed to building ICE engines in that plant until 2040, so I don't think they are going away in 2030.

They can build them but they will only be sold in states that allow it. If enough states ban ICE that date will surely change. Of course there could be exception for pickups/trucks which are the only vehicles that Ford will be putting them in at that point.

 

[LSchicago]

Just wait until your grid destroys itself. Then your bill goes down to $0.00. I'd be looking at solar power if I lived in Texas.

Solar and windmill. Have a backup, because Texas doesn't care about the Grid. I've considered adding solar to my house, but it might take 30 years to recoup the cost without having an EV. At least our electric is cheap in IL.

 

[K4fxd]

2 things caused the Tx grid collapse.
1, windmills that froze up
2, The switch from ICE pipeline pumps to electric.

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