Gas prices dropping soon?

[key01]

Nah, everyone has dropped their electric usage with high efficiency appliances and LED lighting.

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[K4fxd]

Electric car trip, New Orleans to Chicago.

Think she had it bad wait till there are several thousand more waiting in line to charge.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/missed-reservation-long-charging-times-152522267.html

 

[key01]

Electric car trip, New Orleans to Chicago.

Think she had it bad wait till there are several thousand more waiting in line to charge.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/missed-reservation-long-charging-times-152522267.html

That is a sensationalist BS story to get people like you all riled up.
From the article : Wolfe said the trip to Chicago, which was supposed to take about seven and a half hours, took 12.

Here ya go

7-1/2hrs? Ok……

 

[K4fxd]

That is a sensationalist BS story to get people like you all riled up.

Oh I'm not riled up. I don't care what anyone else drives I just don't want an inferior technology forced on me. I'll be laughing while I drive past them waiting in costco gas type lines waiting to charge their car.

I was looking at electric tractors, 3 hour run time when plowing but you can get an extra battery that will allow another 3 hours for 10,000 dollars. Meanwhile a diesel tractor can run 23.5 hours out of 24. 30 min fueling time.

 

[Bikeman315]

So maybe $5.00 a gallon is the breakpoint. We can certainly hope so.

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/06/09/gasoline-demand-falls-5-gallon/

 

[sk47]

Oh I'm not riled up. I don't care what anyone else drives I just don't want an inferior technology forced on me. I'll be laughing while I drive past them waiting in costco gas type lines waiting to charge their car.

I was looking at electric tractors, 3 hour run time when plowing but you can get an extra battery that will allow another 3 hours for 10,000 dollars. Meanwhile a diesel tractor can run 23.5 hours out of 24. 30 min fueling time.

Hello; The really heavy equipment so far runs on some sort of combustion fuel. My take being it is mostly diesel. There are combustion fuels we can make such as hydrogen and methane.

I keep making a point and will do so again. There is nothing wrong with folks having an option to buy and drive an EV. In fact, I am all for early adopter types to take the plunge and help work out the problems.
There are some issues with the current approach. All have been discussed already so a simple listing. Currently the least of the issues is range. Range is still not good but it has improved. Next is charging time, cost and availability. Not bad if all or most of your driving is light duty and you never will exceed the rang. Also if you can charge at home all the time and can have down time every day to allow for charging. Charging away from home can be hard to find ( very hard in my area) and according to a link posted on here can be as expensive as buying gas ( that was before the latest fuel price increases).
The next worse thing about current EV's is the cost to purchase. At least back a few months. Things have been too crazy in the car markets of late. I guess this is a bang for the buck sort of thing. I am sure there are ICE's which cost more than an EV.

The worst things about the current EV climate are sort of a tie. For me personally it is the methods of force and subsidies being used to promote the EV agenda. States passing legislation to ban ICE. My tax dollars being used to promote something which cannot stand on it's own merits. ( Think about this one. If the EV was anywhere near a good idea people would would not have to be forced.) Several sub-details in this category but we have discussed them.

The other things which is sort of a close tie are all the false hypes about how clean the EV is. (Refer to the Volvo study i linked a while back.) Only in part of terminal use are they clean, such as when actually driving. They are not so clean in the mining of the rare metals and such to make the batteries. They are not so clean when plugged in. They are heavy and will wear out tires, brakes and such. Not in place a decent recycling plan for the batteries. They catch fire and are very hard to extinguish.

 

[key01]

^ there are a lot of good and true points in your post.

 

[key01]

Where does it say where she left from?

Might help if you read the article.
And it said: “ During the 2,000-mile round trip between New Orleans and Chicago, ”

 

[Bikeman315]

Wolfe said the trip to Chicago, which was supposed to take about seven and a half hours, took 12.

Where does it say where she left from?

Less about the EVs, more about infrastructure and how Tesla was better. Sounded like a Tesla commercial to me.

Hmmmm……

Rachel Wolfe, a reporter from The Wall Street Journal, took a Kia EV6 on a four-day road trip and said the car spent more time charging than she did sleeping. During the 2,000-mile round trip between New Orleans and Chicago, Wolfe said she struggled to find fast chargers and spent much of the trip waiting for the car to recharge.

 

[Bikeman315]

She left somewhere headed to Chicago. It doesn’t say she left New Orleans headed to Chicago. She started somewhere in the middle. 7 1/2 hours from Chicago to new Orleans and then back to her staring point.

Might want to work on the reading comprehension.

New Orleans to Chicago is approx 935 miles one way. Her trip was stated as 2000 miles. Sounds pretty damn close to me.

During the 2,000-mile round trip between New Orleans and Chicago

 

[Bikeman315]

Nashville to Chicago to New Orleans to Nashville is the same distance.

This is not difficult to understand.

Now you’re just being argumentative. It doesn’t matter. The article is still bs. A real EV owner would have had a plan before leaving on a 1000 mile trip. This genius didn’t.

 

[Gregs24]

Now you’re just being argumentative. It doesn’t matter. The article is still bs. A real EV owner would have had a plan before leaving on a 1000 mile trip. This genius didn’t.

If you drive an EV the same way as an ICE car you will come unstuck. It requires a different approach - not better or worse, just different.

Plenty of people make EV's work just fine, even over long journeys. Some (often those who have no experience of EV's) look for problems. For those that really need to do long journeys every day in remote places then a PHEV is the solution for them, smaller EV range for local journeys and good economy as a hybrid on longer journeys.

Loving our PHEV currently, charging from our PV's and largely unaffected by fuel prices.

 

[key01]

She left somewhere headed to Chicago. It doesn’t say she left New Orleans headed to Chicago. She started somewhere in the middle, 7 1/2 hours from Chicago to new Orleans and then back to her staring point. Let’s say Nashville to Chicago to New Orleans to Nashville.

Might want to work on the reading comprehension.

You’re a funny guy. Show me where it said she left on a round trip from Nashville. The article is dumb. If she owned a real EV she would know how to travel properly. Instead, they follow a newbie with all the issues that come with how to manage a trip. She should have flown.

 

[Gregs24]

With an EV with a 400 mile(unrealistic) range and assuming you charge at 20% to 80% that means you have to charge an hour every 240 miles.

3.5 hours driving 1 hour charging. I would go crazy. And that’s assuming a perfect world of empty chargers in the right locations.

Recharge rates from 20% to 80% can be considerably less that 1 hour. In fact 30 minutes is more the norm for Tesla for example. In addition you would be driving it like an ICE doing as you said - which again is wrong. What people tend to do is drive for a couple of hours and then recharge for 10 or 15 minutes rather than waiting until the charge level is really dropping. If you change your habits then it actually works out just fine.

Yes you need the charge points, but then you need the fuel stations for ICE's

 

[key01]

Show me where it says she left New Orleans for Chicago. You are assuming that is the case. I am saying it says she drove 7.5 hours to Chicago from somewhere and then to New Orleans. That’s all the information we have. You are adding information that is not published to fit you view.

Plus it the WSJ which IMO is one of the last trust worthy publishers out there. This story went though several editors and they would have changed it quick it they made a mistake like that.

Booking a round trip to Denver from Chicago right now. Think I’ll drive to Des Moines and catch the plane there. I think the WSJ blew it. Printing a sensationalist article like that is also beneath them. Musk probably paid for it.

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