Formula 1 talk.

[Gregs24]

Let's get this very clear - They did not die because of the tarmac run off. There is a lot of research and data behind track safety. Spa has not become the most dangerous track lately, it hasn't changed much in recent years and all race tracks are dangerous. You only have to look at what happened to Romain Grosjean last year to see that.

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[Gregs24]

Yes I saw them both. It has always been a dangerous corner.

I will leave it to the FIA to determine safety features at the race track. They are informed by data and know what they are talking about.

 

[Caballus]

Yes I saw them both. It has always been a dangerous corner.

I will leave it to the FIA to determine safety features at the race track. They are informed by data and know what they are talking about.

FIA only determines what tracks they will drive and track limits on existing tracks. They are renters.

 

[Gregs24]

FIA only determines what tracks they will drive and track limits on existing tracks. They are renters.

Nope. They license the track for use to a certain standard / category for international events. This includes safety inspections.

Circuit Safety | Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (fia.com)

You may have confused with Formula One Group who are the commercial rights holders and organisers. These are the ones that run F1 whereas FIA cover many categories

 

[Caballus]

Nope. They license the track for use to a certain standard / category for international events. This includes safety inspections.

Circuit Safety | Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (fia.com)

Agree. The owners of Spa will determine whether or not the track changes, not FIA. FIA can influence, by pulling their endorsement (license), but that by itself will not determine the track layout or limits. It will just determine whether FIA-sanctioned international races occur there. Even with that, FIA standards vary per track and most of their guidelines are suggestions and generalizations. So, as ***** noted, the owners of Spa will determine whether or not Eau Rouge/Raidillon changes.

 

[Gregs24]

Agree. The owners of Spa will determine whether or not the track changes, not FIA. FIA can influence, by pulling their endorsement (license), but that by itself will not determine the track layout or limits. It will just determine whether FIA-sanctioned international races occur there. Even with that, FIA standards vary per track and most of their guidelines are suggestions and generalizations. So, as ***** noted, the owners of Spa will determine whether or not Eau Rouge/Raidillon changes.

Yes and no. The FIA very much work with the circuit owners to ensure everything runs smoothly. Established circuits such as Spa will be in regular contact with the FIA over safety. But as you say the track could just lose the FIA approval, which for a place like Spa would be a disaster so the owners will not just make changes on their own without consulting with the FIA.

Spa made significant changes to the circuit recently adding more tarmac run off areas all in consultation with the FIA, and subsequent approval.

 

[Caballus]

Yes and no. The FIA very much work with the circuit owners to ensure everything runs smoothly. Established circuits such as Spa will be in regular contact with the FIA over safety. But as you say the track could just lose the FIA approval, which for a place like Spa would be a disaster.

OK, since you can't be wrong, you're right. Meet you at Spa next track day and discuss it there.

 

[Gregs24]

OK, since you can't be wrong, you're right. Meet you at Spa next track day and discuss it there.

I most certainly can be wrong, but on this occasion pretty sure I'm right.

 

[Caballus]

I most certainly can be wrong, but on this occasion pretty sure I'm right.

Of course you are.

 

[sk47]

Pretty sure you will find none of the teams actually start the race with enough fuel to run at full pace to the end. The tyres will not take it either.

Hello; Duh. That is because the rules limit the amount of fuel any team can put in the car. The teams do not have the option to add a little extra so they an use the full power the entire race.
How many times have we heard after a lot of safety car laps the teams tell the driver to use full power? How many times has a driver been told to just make laps at set speed and not try to race the car in front of him to save fuel?
The way I recall the talk back when the fuel limit was put in place was that the FIA knew the fuel was not enough when they set the limit. Some sort of cocked hat notion that such would show the world the F1 races were a bit more green.

The tires are built to their intended use. At one time the Indy 500 was run on one set of tires. A long time ago to be sure with much slower speeds. Do not know if a tire can be made to go the two hour limit in F1, but figure they can. Some endurance racers run tires for more than one stint best I can figure may be an hour and a half. If the races make for better street cars it would seem tires that last longer at speed would be nice. Bet the owners of fast Mustangs would appreciate some additional miles.

 

[Caballus]

F1 was a great thread. Now it's become an argumentative one fueled by the usual suspects.

 

[Gregs24]

Hello; Duh. That is because the rules limit the amount of fuel any team can put in the car. The teams do not have the option to add a little extra so they an use the full power the entire race.

Well Duh to you!

They don't always start full at 110kg. Not all tracks fuel demands are the same, Monaco being especially low. 5kg less is about 0.2 seconds a lap so starting lighter can be quicker overall. So your assumption is wrong.

 

[Caballus]

Congeniality has completely left this thread. Sad.

 

[Gregs24]

Congeniality has completely left this thread. Sad.

Wow, you have gone from agreeing with me and a civil conversation to this in 45 minutes.

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