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[tittermary]

Don't mind him, he feels the need to berate anyone that gives false information or talks bad about livernois.

Dude knows a lot, he just needs to stop being an ass about it.


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Yeah I actually agree with him on a lot of points but geeez

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[dragonacc]

Livernois has stated the access they have.

An unreal amount of tables.

Has Cobb stated what they have access too?

Pile on Livernois for stating what they see and tune? But don't pile in Cobb for not stating anything...... Not even time slips.

What a awesome world some live in

The thing is I never claimed Cobb has the best software and everyone else is at some innate disadvantage because they don't have access to all the tables that Cobb does. LMS did, I know they've said they used SCT in the past and it was lacking. But what about Cobb's software? They made the blanket statement that only they have access to all the right tables. I'm just asking them for proof. If Cobb said the same thing I would ask them as well.

I'm not trying to sell anything so I don't have to answer any accusations, but you sound like you work for LMS so why don't you answer for them like you always do when someone questions them? You honestly hurt their reputation more than you help it.

 

[Roidrage]

The thing is I never claimed Cobb has the best software and everyone else is at some innate disadvantage because they don't have access to all the tables that Cobb does. LMS did, I know they've said they used SCT in the past and it was lacking. But what about Cobb's software? They made the blanket statement that only they have access to all the right tables. I'm just asking them for proof. If Cobb said the same thing I would ask them as well.

I'm not trying to sell anything so I don't have to answer any accusations, but you sound like you work for LMS so why don't you answer for them like you always do when someone questions them? You honestly hurt their reputation more than you help it.

If you want to make a comparison thread, can you please start your own thread and question each tuner directly there? This is getting extremely off topic....

 

[tittermary]

The thing is I never claimed Cobb has the best software and everyone else is at some innate disadvantage because they don't have access to all the tables that Cobb does. LMS did, I know they've said they used SCT in the past and it was lacking. But what about Cobb's software? They made the blanket statement that only they have access to all the right tables. I'm just asking them for proof. If Cobb said the same thing I would ask them as well.

I'm not trying to sell anything so I don't have to answer any accusations, but you sound like you work for LMS so why don't you answer for them like you always do when someone questions them? You honestly hurt their reputation more than you help it.

i think cobb needs to respond to the question of how many tables can they access, its on the table with lms at 16k plus im sure that not all of them are important but he who has the most access usually wins, the other undeniable advantage is the relationship with ford, its my understanding lms tests and build shit for ford so thats pretty tight access and integration there

 

[Ron@cp-e]

i think cobb needs to respond to the question of how many tables can they access, its on the table with lms at 16k plus im sure that not all of them are important but he who has the most access usually wins, the other undeniable advantage is the relationship with ford, its my understanding lms tests and build shit for ford so thats pretty tight access and integration there

tuning discussions are my favorite:ford:
I've heard 16k, 17k, and 18k tables in the ECU so far
eh, what's a couple thousand tables ??? :lol: no biggie!

 

[SVTFreak]

Yeah they my favorite too. A bunch of garbage men talking about which rocket scientists are the best like they know what the numbers mean.

 

[Ron@cp-e]

Yeah they my favorite too. A bunch of garbage men talking about which rocket scientists are the best like they know what the numbers mean.

I know right
just tune my shitz and make it teh fastz
that's all I want/care about :first:

 

[Roidrage]

I know right
just tune my shitz and make it teh fastz
that's all I want/care about :first:

+ Don't blow up my car!!

 

[Juben]

So what makes Cobb better?

Times/et? None available

The ability to data log? Not needed when the tune is right to start.

The ability to monitor all the info the car ALREADY displays? Ummm no thanks.

Fan boys from the focus world.

Cobb has a lot of followers and clearly the ability to tune. Let's see the 11 sec slips from tune n tire Cobb cars.

I'll wait. How long will it take to "catch up" to the "head start" Livernois has?

I'm a pretty busy guy.

Fan boys!? Look in the mirror, dude. Just because you don't want to datalog or feel it's necessary doesn't mean it's unnecessary or a useless feature. I want a tune optimized to my car, fuel, etc. It seems like Livernois said something like optimizing a tune might net an additional 3% or something, but I want that 3% if it's there to be had.

So, just because I want mine optimized, does that mean you're an ignorant, uneducated asshat that doesn't even know there's more left on the table? No, it just means you want something differently than I do...which is why we have options.

Like was already said, you're not going to help Livernois out berating people like you do. You love Livernois...that's great! Quit being such a dick to people who look at other options though.

 

[wireless]

Personally, I would never go with Cobb's canned tunes. After seeing so many Subi issues with their canned tunes, I would never want to use their stuff (please don't ask me to explain). But that's my opinion and I would never shove that down anyone else's throat.

Those reason's (in regards to Cobb) are due to the fact that Subaru's can be fairly unreliable when modded anyways... their other cars don't experience the same issues at all, it's just Subaru. And not just Cobb.

And again they have, look at the results they have gotten , and again I get you not arguing with you I get that the way they come across bothers you

Not all LMS cars are fast. There's a guy locally, who's definitely not a bad driver, isn't getting anywhere near the results LMS posted. Your results are good, but the local guy here who is trapping ~101mph doesn't seem too impressed...

I know right
just tune my shitz and make it teh fastz
that's all I want/care about :first:

RACEKOR

 

[tittermary]

Fan boys!? Look in the mirror, dude. Just because you don't want to datalog or feel it's necessary doesn't mean it's unnecessary or a useless feature. I want a tune optimized to my car, fuel, etc. It seems like Livernois said something like optimizing a tune might net an additional 3% or something, but I want that 3% if it's there to be had.

So, just because I want mine optimized, does that mean you're an ignorant, uneducated asshat that doesn't even know there's more left on the table? No, it just means you want something differently than I do...which is why we have options.

Like was already said, you're not going to help Livernois out berating people like you do. You love Livernois...that's great! Quite being such a dick to people who look at other options though.

yeah its been a hard pill for me to swallow, I have always tuned or been in the loop with the tuning on all my cars and bikes. This is the first time I haven't and in fact I haven't even data logged it other then the short and long trims (perfect btw) I would like to monitor my iat2 (intake temps) just to see what my intercooler is doing and I guess the octane learn thingy but at the end of the day when I went to the track 1/2 assed (no tire/pump gas) and saw my timeslips I was like hmm fuck it, its working. I dont think I am a fan boy but I gotta give respect where its due...

 

[tittermary]

Those reason's (in regards to Cobb) are due to the fact that Subaru's can be fairly unreliable when modded anyways... their other cars don't experience the same issues at all, it's just Subaru. And not just Cobb.



Not all LMS cars are fast. There's a guy locally, who's definitely not a bad driver, isn't getting anywhere near the results LMS posted. Your results are good, but the local guy here who is trapping ~101mph doesn't seem too impressed...



RACEKOR

well if hes trapping 101 then something is clearly wrong, stock will trap that, has he contacted lms to see whats up? I mean thats off the hook wrong.

 

[Roidrage]

Subi's from my experience, are as reliable as the tune. Any Ringland issues I've seen have come from the Cobb AP canned tunes vs. none/ extremely limited from well done Protunes. Anecdotal evidence? Maybe, but I'll trust what I see when I was really into subie's and had many first hand experiences with them.

Either way, they left a bad taste in my mouth. Also, seeing here how some members are boosting 23-25 PSI on a stage 1 canned tune (from Cobb). No thx, just my 2 cents.

Those reason's (in regards to Cobb) are due to the fact that Subaru's can be fairly unreliable when modded anyways... their other cars don't experience the same issues at all, it's just Subaru. And not just Cobb.



Not all LMS cars are fast. There's a guy locally, who's definitely not a bad driver, isn't getting anywhere near the results LMS posted. Your results are good, but the local guy here who is trapping ~101mph doesn't seem too impressed...



RACEKOR

 

[Juben]

yeah its been a hard pill for me to swallow, I have always tuned or been in the loop with the tuning on all my cars and bikes. This is the first time I haven't and in fact I haven't even data logged it other then the short and long trims (perfect btw) I would like to monitor my iat2 (intake temps) just to see what my intercooler is doing and I guess the octane learn thingy but at the end of the day when I went to the track 1/2 assed (no tire/pump gas) and saw my timeslips I was like hmm fuck it, its working. I dont think I am a fan boy but I gotta give respect where its due...

I don't think you're a fan boy and you haven't came across to me that way. I was talking directly to Anthony on that one. I get tired of his antics on here.

Livernois has a fantastic product that does get results. I just went with the AP because it does what I want in a tuning device and works with the tuners I wanted to use. That doesn't mean Livernois has a sub-par product though like Anthony would seem to think I would be implying.

Here's the thing for everyone, get what you want and what works for you. If you're happy, then that's all that matters. There's no need for all of this fighting and bickering on here all the time. You'd think the community would be excited and want to help push each other to bigger and better things, but it's more like a mad house most days. Let's all work together and try to help each other!

 

[tittermary]

Subi's from my experience are as reliable as the tune. Any Ringland issues I've seen have come from the canned tunes vs. none from well done Protunes. Anecdotal evidence? Maybe, but I'll trust what I see when I was really into subie's and had many first hand experiences with them.

Either way, they left a bad taste in my mouth. Also, seeing here how some members are boosting 23-25 PSI on a stage 1 canned tune (from Cobb). No thx, just my 2 cents.

agreed I never had a problem with either of my subi's

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