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They are being bought as status cymbals.
I'm sure many are. Same goes for GT500's, GT350's and Mach 1's. You are always going to have early adaptors and folks who buy stuff they will never use for their intended purpose. But many will be using it as their daily work truck (I know two already). Maybe 50-60 miles a day (ask any local contractor) and rapid charging at home overnight if needed. Plus the ability to run their tools off the truck batteries. This vehicle is a win, win. There is nothing that is going to change that.

And no, I have no intention of buying one. :giggle: :like:
 

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and rapid charging at home overnight if needed
Rapid charging will most likely never be an option at home. You'd need a much heftier power supply than is available for home use. I'd wager you'd need a medium voltage line.
Slow overnight charging is all we can hope for at home.
Mind you, if you can afford to pay in excess of $60K for a glorified KitchenAid, then you may not mind the costs of having your house connected to a 20kV line through its own transformer. Nobody said planet saving has to come cheap. šŸ˜
 
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Rapid charging will most likely never be an option at home. You'd need a much heftier power supply than is available for home use. I'd wager you'd need a medium voltage line.
Slow overnight charging is all we can hope for at home.
Mind you, if you can afford to pay in excess of $60K for a glorified KitchenAid, then you may not mind the costs of having your house connected to a 20kV line through its own transformer. Nobody said planet saving has to come cheap. šŸ˜
My son in law just purchased a 2017 BMW I3 hybrid ( I know, but he loves them). Charging overnight on level 1 proved pointless. He had a 220v line put in and purchased a very cool level 2 charger. Full charge in four hours. Hasnā€™t needed the ICE since he got it. Itā€™s his work car so approx 30 miles per day.
 

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My son in law just purchased a 2017 BMW I3 hybrid ( I know, but he loves them). Charging overnight on level 1 proved pointless. He had a 220v line put in and purchased a very cool level 2 charger. Full charge in four hours. Hasnā€™t needed the ICE since he got it. Itā€™s his work car so approx 30 miles per day.
Do you happen to know the maximum power he is allowed to draw?

The i3 has a small battery, just 33 kWh or thereabouts. Assuming it's at 20% when you start charging, you'd need to add cca. 26 kWh. To do it in four hours you'd need a 6.5 kW power source in ideal conditions - say, 7 kW if we account for losses.
Sounds plausible. A Tesla or Mock-E, on the other hand, would be a different story. :)

I don't know the electricity standards in the US. Over here the maximum admissible power draw on a one-phase 230V connection is 9 kW (cca. 11 kVA) with a 50 A main fuse.
For more than that you need a three-phase 400V connection, which can go up to a maximum of 38 kW (cca. 43 kVA) with a three-phase 63 A main fuse.
For more than that you need to connect directly into the medium voltage grid.
 
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Do you happen to know the maximum power he is allowed to draw?

The i3 has a small battery, just 33 kWh or thereabouts. Assuming it's at 20% when you start charging, you'd need to add cca. 26 kWh. To do it in four hours you'd need a 6.5 kW power source in ideal conditions - say, 7 kW if we account for losses.
Sounds plausible. A Tesla or Mock-E, on the other hand, would be a different story. :)

I don't know the electricity standards in the US. Over here the maximum admissible power draw on a one-phase 230V connection is 9 kW (cca. 11 kVA) with a 50 A main fuse.
For more than that you need a three-phase 400V connection, which can go up to a maximum of 38 kW (cca. 43 kVA) with a three-phase 63 A main fuse.
For more than that you need to connect directly into the medium voltage grid.
No I do not. Iā€™ll ask him what charger he bought.
 

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I don't know the electricity standards in the US.
There is no limit here. Most residential hook ups are 240 volt and 200 amp service. If you want to pay for a larger lead in wire there is no limit. If you blow the transformer the power company will install a higher capacity one.
 

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Do you happen to know the maximum power he is allowed to draw?

The i3 has a small battery, just 33 kWh or thereabouts. Assuming it's at 20% when you start charging, you'd need to add cca. 26 kWh. To do it in four hours you'd need a 6.5 kW power source in ideal conditions - say, 7 kW if we account for losses.
Sounds plausible. A Tesla or Mock-E, on the other hand, would be a different story. :)

I don't know the electricity standards in the US. Over here the maximum admissible power draw on a one-phase 230V connection is 9 kW (cca. 11 kVA) with a 50 A main fuse.
For more than that you need a three-phase 400V connection, which can go up to a maximum of 38 kW (cca. 43 kVA) with a three-phase 63 A main fuse.
For more than that you need to connect directly into the medium voltage grid.
OK, here it is. 10% to 100% in 4 hours and 4 travel days between charges. For his purposes, itā€™s perfect.

https://www.amazon.com/stores/EmporiaEnergy/page/7DB75F70-EC34-4C70-9006-3BB03A38BDA2?ref_=ast_bln
 

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Nice. :like:
I guess for an i3 it's just fine.
However, if it takes four hours to charge an i3, then a Mock-E or a Tesla, with a battery three times as big, would take twelve. That can hardly be called fast charging. :)
 

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The Lightning from the reviews I've seen looks well done, but to me the price is about double what it should be. At $35-40k it would be a decent deal, but at over $80k it just seems dumb.
 
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The Lightning from the reviews I've seen looks well done, but to me the price is about double what it should be. At $35-40k it would be a decent deal, but at over $80k it just seems dumb.
They start at well below $80k and that does not include the $7500 rebate.

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The Lightning from the reviews I've seen looks well done, but to me the price is about double what it should be. At $35-40k it would be a decent deal, but at over $80k it just seems dumb.
If you want to use it as a truck it makes no sense. If you want to look cool while picking up your kid from school, it is perfect.
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