Finally 10's N/A, 2018 GT

[steph93lx]

Finally 10.'s N/A!!!!!!
It took the 2018 301A A10 to get me there. After having try it hard without success for 3 years on my stock intake m6 2015 GT !!

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Don't think it would have run much more than .05-.1 faster on e85 in that DA.
The 2018 with is 12:1 compression do make it a bit more difficult to run full timing above 1000DA compare to my 2015. Wish we had e85 easily available here!

I had run very low 11's at both Napierville and another 1/4 mile track call Icar in similar DA with like version 15 of my tune. I must be at version 30+ now lol.

Those 2018+ A10 are fast!!!

I guess it will run some crazy times in our crazy DA in fall, stay tune!!!!

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[kris5597]

Congrats man! I definitely knew it was possible with just a few bolt ons. However, I do disagree with your statement. On E85 it would be considerably faster, not for the timing aspect but for what ethanol does with its chemical properties. I am with the added cooling of the ethanol and what oxygenation it does have, it would prove to be very useful on the 12.0:1 compression 2018. However, running 10s on 94 octane pump gas is a huge win, congrats again!

 

[steph93lx]

Congrats man! I definitely knew it was possible with just a few bolt ons. However, I do disagree with your statement. On E85 it would be considerably faster, not for the timing aspect but for what ethanol does with its chemical properties. I am with the added cooling of the ethanol and what oxygenation it does have, it would prove to be very useful on the 12.0:1 compression 2018. However, running 10s on 94 octane pump gas is a huge win, congrats again!

Congrats man! I definitely knew it was possible with just a few bolt ons. However, I do disagree with your statement. On E85 it would be considerably faster, not for the timing aspect but for what ethanol does with its chemical properties. I am with the added cooling of the ethanol and what oxygenation it does have, it would prove to be very useful on the 12.0:1 compression 2018. However, running 10s on 94 octane pump gas is a huge win, congrats again!

The difference his huge on a power adder car with e85

I did the testing on e85.

On my 2015 in 1000 ft and bellow the difference was marginal has long has I was getting the timing I wanted. Not more than .05..
Same day same condition. I have the timeslip somewhere.

.05 to .1 is pretty much what I would get when the engine is cold for the hero run. For whatever reason our 94 e10 seem to be better than your 93!!!

On the Mustang dyno it will give a bigger gain with e85 since with the dyno load and heat I see less timing on 94 than the timing I see at the track.

In higher DA and hot lapped it's like you said a bigger improvement getting more timing with cooling effect but again not much on my cars bellow 1000ft. In cold air it's even more marginal.

For whatever reason our 94 e10 even with only 1 point octane more seem to work better than your 93. Maybe it's because the tuner on 93 are more conservative? I am certainly not LOL

 

[kris5597]

The difference his huge on a power adder car with e85

I did the testing on e85.

On my 2015 in 1000 ft and bellow the difference was marginal has long has I was getting the timing I wanted. Not much more than .05..
Same day same condition.

.05 to .1 is pretty much what I would get when the engine is cold for the hero run. For whatever reason our 94 e10 seem to be better than your 93!!!

On the Mustang dyno it will give a bigger gain with e85 since with the dyno load and heat I see less timing on 94 than the timing I see at the track.

In higher DA and hot lapped it's like you said a bigger improvement getting more timing with cooling effect but again not much on my cars bellow 1000ft. In cold air it's even more marginal.

For whatever reason our 94 e10 even with only 1 point octane more seem to work better than your 93. Maybe it's because the tuner on 93 are more conservative? I am certainly not LOL

The added octane point of your 94 octane will definitely be beneficial. E85 on the gen 1 (11-14) and gen 2 (15-17) definitely shows marginal gains for sure. However, the 18 should gain more with it's new specifications compared to the previous, even hitting MBT. There are a lot of conservative tuners, even some that tune that shouldn't be tuning, which is scary. I would be curious as to how much faster you can go on 70-85% ethanol. With ethanol and race gas, it's not about spark advance, it's about the fuel and what it does with it's chemical properties. I have heard some some fuels like, believe it or not, less than MBT timing and achieve more power. The oxygenation in race gas is HUGE for power gains, essentially spraying air into the combustion chamber adding to the cycle. The DA here in the winter can get into the negative, which is when I will try for a hero pass. We shall see!

Kris

 

[steph93lx]

The added octane point of your 94 octane will definitely be beneficial. E85 on the gen 1 (11-14) and gen 2 (15-17) definitely shows marginal gains for sure. However, the 18 should gain more with it's new specifications compared to the previous, even hitting MBT. There are a lot of conservative tuners, even some that tune that shouldn't be tuning, which is scary. I would be curious as to how much faster you can go on 70-85% ethanol. With ethanol and race gas, it's not about spark advance, it's about the fuel and what it does with it's chemical properties. I have heard some some fuels like, believe it or not, less than MBT timing and achieve more power. The oxygenation in race gas is HUGE for power gains, essentially spraying air into the combustion chamber adding to the cycle. The DA here in the winter can get into the negative, which is when I will try for a hero pass. We shall see!

Kris

I know FTW and c85 make good difference even compare to e85 they are much more oxygenated. Steeda and Lund has used it. I am not gonna use those! Too expensive for me. When I am talking about e85 I am talking about standard pump. I may try it but I am pretty sure it will be the same marginal results in my case in crazy cold temp lol

The gain I have seen with standard e85 on the 2018 is a lot related to the crazy difference in timing. Like 22 on 93 and then 28-31 with e85. You know it's a good selling point for the mighty e85 tune then lol.

 

[kris5597]

I know FTW and c85 make good difference even compare to e85 they are much more oxygenated. I am not gonna use those! Too expensive for me. When I am talking about e85 I am talking about standard pump. I may try it but I am pretty sure it will be the same marginal results in my case of crazy cold temp lol

The gain I have seen with standard e85 on the 2018 is a lot related to the crazy difference in timing. Like 22 on 93 and then 28-31 with e85. You know it's a good selling point for the mighty e85 tune then lol.

FTW is extremely volatile, so it's a bit risky, however, with the 18 having forged pistons and rods, it should be beastly. I will be trying C85 and MS109 to see what those fuels will do with their additives.

I have seen similar timing differences as well. (Costco) Kirkland brand 93 seems to be the best around here, as I have seen up to 26-27 degrees of timing on 93. On the dyno, I saw a 20whp gain running E70 over that 93, from 26-27 degrees of timing to 30 degrees on E70. 30wtq was gained down low due to the extreme timing differences in that area. I posted my results in the dyno compilation thread.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/5-0-dyno-chart-compilation.49398/page-17

Kris

 

[kris5597]

What is your launch technique to cut a 1.64 60'???

 

[steph93lx]

What is your launch technique to cut a 1.64 60'???

I just read your pm . Will pm you later.

 

[steph93lx]

FTW is extremely volatile, so it's a bit risky, however, with the 18 having forged pistons and rods, it should be beastly. I will be trying C85 and MS109 to see what those fuels will do with their additives.

I have seen similar timing differences as well. (Costco) Kirkland brand 93 seems to be the best around here, as I have seen up to 26-27 degrees of timing on 93. On the dyno, I saw a 20whp gain running E70 over that 93, from 26-27 degrees of timing to 30 degrees on E70. 30wtq was gained down low due to the extreme timing differences in that area. I posted my results in the dyno compilation thread.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/5-0-dyno-chart-compilation.49398/page-17

Kris

Don't think the 2018 GT have forged piston??. Let's just say my timing is over 26 on my best runs
Stock timing down low is ridiculous that's why the 60ft sucks lol

 

[brucelinc]

Congrats on a stellar run! Quick question: Do you think a mix of E85 with 93 would improve times on a stock engine?

 

[kris5597]

Congrats on a stellar run! Quick question: Do you think a mix of E85 with 93 would improve times on a stock engine?

See our previous posts.

 

[kris5597]

Don't think the 2018 GT have forged piston??. Let's just say my timing is over 26 on my best runs
Timing down low is ridiculous that's why the 60ft sucks lol

I found an article but cannot find it, perhaps it was removed due to false information. Definitely don't want to spread that haha.

Kris

 

[steph93lx]

Congrats on a stellar run! Quick question: Do you think a mix of E85 with 93 would improve times on a stock engine?

Thanks!
If I understand, you cannot run the stock tune with a mix of e85. You need a e85 or a flex fuel tune if it's not straight e85.

 

[growler]

nice times.....now you have set a new goal for me .but my passenger seat is staying,,, stay tuned after this weekend if we get good weather, on stock tires

 

[steph93lx]

nice times.....now you have set a new goal for me .but my passenger seat is staying,,, stay tuned after this weekend if we get good weather, on stock tires

Lol I just need to loose the 50+ lbs overweight I have. Easier to say than done. My Mustang friends are all 150-175 lbs driver.

I know you ran some nice time on street tire. You will find with more mods and power you will need the drag radial especially in colder weather with a less sticky track

When we get our cold air weather and crazy negative da it's even hard to hook sometime on drag radial with a 127-130mph car.

Looking forward for your result.

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