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[PonyGrrrl]

PP deletes the rear spoiler, 50th Anniversary Pkg has a spoiler. PP replaces the wheels and deletes the spoiler when combined with the 50th Anniversary Pkg.

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[Kowalski]

Ah, that's what I did wrong: not concise enough, too many verbal flourishes. LOL

I didn't mean raw as going back to old tech. It was in line with the exhaust and some analog feel. The fifth gen had a system that was very quiet until you floored it. Then everyone knew hell was let loose... but not before. And only then do I believe the driver should feel it. I generally believe folks who are isolated from the action don't know where their limits are.

I know Ford's packaging makes sense. But the Performance Pack is the only one that seems logically packaged. I prefer a base GT with an audio upgrade. Though I wouldn't mind Ford offering an aftermarket audio system. A Ford-Racing-for-audio in a box.

Anyways, maybe what I was hoping for was a stripped-down version. A blank canvas for me to save my money for just the things I wanted to attach to it.

I recently learned about that pedal extender and it's made life soooooo much better in a ten-year-old machine. Strangely, it was a six-foot-plus driver who told me after he bought one for himself.

It's often good to read what other folks think... even those who believe I am off my roller-rockers. And a good way to get some new info. Lots of new info!

 

[Kowalski]

PP deletes the rear spoiler, 50th Anniversary Pkg has a spoiler. PP replaces the wheels and deletes the spoiler when combined with the 50th Anniversary Pkg.

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Would love the PP but it pushes the price beyond budget. Not just at the start but also when replacing tires. Budgets, argh!

 

[DeColores]

I am a fan of the new Mustang buuuuut:

1. Packages are a horrible concept. In previous gens one could order a sleeper with the best radio. You can't get the pro audio without making the interior into a cigar lounge. The basic system not only looks like an old space shuttle but sounds like something from the 1980s.
2. Spoiler Delete is at Ford employees' discretion. I've talked to several who special ordered their GTs minus the rear spoiler and they all received their cars with spoilers attached. Apparently, someone on the line feels it's a requirement.
3. Not the scary monster under your bed. Right off the lot the GTs could get folks to move with its roar, not its horn. Now you rev that engine and its competing with the clicking from other drivers' texting.
4. The singularity? I swear the new gen cars are sentient... if you have the key fob. Can't sneak in or out 'cause the lights are still on. It's like attaching strobe lights to a stealth fighter. (Or a bell on a cat.) Not to mention all the buttons. Sync gets turned on when I go for the horn. "I'm sorry. I don't understand 'beep-beep'." Seems like more buttons than I actually need.
5. The Abyss AKA the clutch pedal. Does every Mustang since the 80s need a longer left leg to operate? Since the Fox-bodies I have had a contorted right leg and an over extended clutch leg. Maybe the Ford engineers still wear disco shoes. It's harshing my right-turn drifts. Srsly?

Anyways, the previous cars were kinda raw. I thought that's why people loved it but maybe I am wrong. Perhaps buyers wanted something way more refined. I wonder if there's a market for more stripped-down versions. A "5.0 LX" model of sorts. It would definitely cost considerably less.

Doth I protest too much? (The single worst question you can ask on the Interweb.)

Thanks to this forum teaching me about Cotus, I caught that it was ordered wrong without spoiler delete in time for them to fix it.

Thanks again MustangG6.Com; your the best for many reasons!

DeColores

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Only part of ur rant I agree with is the packages and not being able to customize them. I would of liked to keep my spoiler and get another 19inch rim with my pp package but it wasnt allowed. Besides that no one buys a mustang to keep stock exhaust and the reason this 1 is little bit more tone down is because of international market noise restrictions but in US 99% of ppl I know with a mustang change exhaust anyways. Also unfortunately you have to let go of the past when cars had actually keys and they also had carburetors that would choke and get flooded. Learn to appreciate that when things change its not a bad thing you just have to accept. Or would you rather we go back to driving the raw horsepower cars of the 60s and 70s that got 6 miles per gallon. By the way I love my cars key fob it never leavea my pocket so no risk of scratching any paint by the handle

I am not a modder, so I will never be changing the exhaust, but I do wish it was a bit throatier and louder.

 

[Spartan]

When I park mine at the wine store and catch people from camaro owners to audi A5 owners staring into my window, I believe Ford did something right. I could understand that prev-gen owners may feel like Ford took away the almost spartan interior of American "muscle car", but I totally agree with Apwrx that ford seems to have widened the potential customer base, and you know that's a good thing because now I feel like advocating the 6th-gen mustang to everyone I know

You have the American A5 in the EB.
The GT is the American S5.

 

[TTC6]

The best solution for options is just not to order any.
That money could be spent better in the aftermarket.
I'd even do a custom leather interior before I would spend the money Ford is asking for the leather.

 

[Axe]

The best solution for options is just not to order any.
That money could be spent better in the aftermarket.
I'd even do a custom leather interior before I would spend the money Ford is asking for the leather.

Or, just do it right the first time. That way your friends and family don't feel like they're sitting in a rental car.

 

[TTC6]

Or, just do it right the first time. That way your friends and family don't feel like they're sitting in a rental car.

All of my cars are very nice. Most modern cars are.
Anyone in the car business will tell you that money spent on options is wasted.

 

[Jason Richardson]

The best solution for options is just not to order any.
That money could be spent better in the aftermarket.
I'd even do a custom leather interior before I would spend the money Ford is asking for the leather.

And that my friend is exactly what I'm doing. My leather is all ready! One more week. And this is about 10 times the quality of the leather/ vinyl crud Ford uses. Mine is 100% leather incliding sides, seat backs, and back seats and better leather. Closest thing Ive felt to this is BMW Nappa leather.

 

[mkenny28]

And that my friend is exactly what I'm doing. My leather is all ready! One more week. And this is about 10 times the quality of the leather/ vinyl crud Ford uses. Mine is 100% leather incliding sides, seat backs, and back seats and better leather. Closest thing Ive felt to this is BMW Nappa leather.

Who did you use for the custom leather if you don't mind me asking?

 

[pyrophilus]

Who did you use for the custom leather if you don't mind me asking?

In all my previous cars I self-installed Katzkin leather. Leather installation is surprisingly easy! all you need is a set of hog rings, hog ring pliers, and a socket wrench set. My EB came with leather, but if I could get premium trim without leather and have Ford shave $1500 off the cost, I'd have done it in a heartbeat and install leather by myself.

Also most American (and Japanese) OEM car leather are thin leather that are vinyl-coated, whereas European OEM leather are not. Most American (and Japanese) OEM leather also use the vinyl-coated leather ONLY on the sitting surfaces, and 100% Vinyl everywhere else. They think so lowly of the surface that you don't touch that most companies don't even bother trying to match the feel between the vinyl sides and the leather (it just has to look same from a distance).

Katzkin, back when I used it was 100% leather, and it was thick. and the ones I used were NOT treated with Vinyl (you can test with water droplet. On European leather, a drop of water will eventually get "soaked in" whereas in non-European factory leather, the drop will stay as a bead for almost forever).

Vinyl makes the leather more durable in the short-run (and water repellent), but in the long run, it starts to crack, and the leather under it isn't thick enough and will wear out quickly.

Also that being said, apparently in non-European factory leather seats, using leather conditioner doesn't make sense as one should actually use a vinyl conditioner (or vinyl/leather conditioner) to keep the surface vinyl coating pliable. Apparently, the leather conditioner will not even penetrate the vinyl coating, making it senseless.

I have always found a dealer on ebay that was selling Katzkin leathers for $600. There is an ebay dealer that will sell you Katzkin made to order for $830 shipped. And while you are at it, it only costs $40 on ebay for carbon-fiber seat heaters. It's just a two wire installation.

 

[mkenny28]

In all my previous cars I self-installed Katzkin leather. Leather installation is surprisingly easy! all you need is a set of hog rings, hog ring pliers, and a socket wrench set.

Most American (and Japanese) OEM car leather are thin leather that are vinyl-coated, whereas European OEM leather are not. Most American (and Japanese) OEM leather also are leather ONLY on the sitting surfaces, and Vinyl everywhere else.

Katzkin, back when I used it was 100% leather. and the ones I used were NOT treated with Vinyl.

Vinyl makes the leather more durable in the short-run (and water repellent), but in the long run, it starts to crack, and the leather under it isn't thick enough and will wear out quickly.

Also that being said, apparently in non-European factory leather seats, using leather conditioner doesn't make sense as one should actually use a vinyl conditioner to keep the surface vinyl coating pliable.

I have always found a dealer on ebay that was selling Katzkin leathers for $600. There is an ebay dealer that will sell you Katzkin made to order for $830 shipped.

And while you are at it, it only costs $40 on ebay for carbon-fiber seat heaters. It's just a two wire installation.

Yes, I did my Leathers on my 2005 Mustang Vert myself. I bought the covers from leatherseats.com (which uses the same leathers as Katzkins, at least on the 2005-2007s). It took me a handful of hours and a lot of elbow grease but was a straight forward process. The end result was staggering compared to the OEM leathers.

You have to be careful with those eBay retailers at times though. I ran into more than a few that were claiming Katzkin but were actually knock offs.

 

[pyrophilus]

Yes, I did my Leathers on my 2005 Mustang Vert myself. I bought the covers from leatherseats.com (which uses the same leathers as Katzkins, at least on the 2005-2007s).

That's right! I also got a set from leatherseats.com I had great results.

You have to be careful with those eBay retailers at times though. I ran into more than a few that were claiming Katzkin but were actually knock offs.

Thank you, as I think I should not advocate ebay resellers so much. You are absolutely right in that they sometimes make knockoffs and then claim they are katzkins.

Back in '96, I had a '96 pathfinder and I hated the OEM factory leather. I got a set of excess stock "Katzkin" leather from ebay seller for less than $200. When it arrived, it was a vinyl coated knock-off. I complained about it, and they refunded my money and told me to keep the leather.

I installed it, drove the car for a year, and when it started to show signs of cracks, traded in the vehicle for a 2001.

Katzkin sells leather for $2000 installed, but I think if you find the installer, and contact them, some of them will be willing to sell you the leather minus installation costs. I have been able to do get installers to agree to this, but always ended up ordering it through online.

But even at $2000, a real Katzkin leather is 1000× better than any American/Japanese/Korean factory leather. If you are going to keep your car for a long time, I actually think it's a good thing to replace, even the factory leather.

 

[Jason Richardson]

Who did you use for the custom leather if you don't mind me asking?

Good question! Ok so let me explain. I know some people at Katzkin and Ive done many before so Ill give you the exact deets on my kit. The basic katzkin leather seats come with standard leather on the faces and high quality vinyl on the sides and seat backs. The higher quality will have a bit more leather, and the absolute highest tier will be 100% leather including seat backs, sides, and rear seats. Thats the one they are making for me. In addition, I am taking it a step further and doing Tuscany leather faces (which is their highest quality leather, its like BMW Nappa leather, its that good. So mine is tuscany faces and leather everywhere else. They just released the 2015 Mustang seat designs so Im an early adopter. And their seat patterns match the Premier trim GT premium seats with he extra stitching :-) Oh and I can go two tone to my hearts extent choosing from the Tuscany colors but Im going straight black (race red car). Oh I forgot to mention, mine includes leather door panels too and I got the seat heaters.

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