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If you think you get bad city mileage with your driving habits, you'd get butt f....ed in a 5L. Believe me I have alot of GT guys in my cruise group.

22.5 city for me and 3-0 against 2015+ GT's
I think the bigger issue is the fact that GT's (and V6's) can use 87 for next to zero power or mpg loss. While us EB owners must use 93 to even come close to EPA estimates and the quoted power figures (using 87 is like an 11% loss in power). That additional 30-50 cents per gallon adds up quick and changes the game when you think about it.....

11-13 mpg while using 87 (GT)
17 mpg while using 93 (EB)
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I think the bigger issue is the fact that GT's (and V6's) can use 87 for next to zero power or mpg loss. While us EB owners must use 93 to even come close to EPA estimates and the quoted power figures (using 87 is like an 11% loss in power). That additional 30-50 cents per gallon adds up quick and changes the game when you think about it.....

11-13 mpg while using 87 (GT)
17 mpg while using 93 (EB)
With gas prices going up and a projection that bbl. Of oil reaching $160.00 ...
I sure am glad that I chose the 2.3 over the v8 . We get to drive more .
 

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I think the bigger issue is the fact that GT's (and V6's) can use 87 for next to zero power or mpg loss. While us EB owners must use 93 to even come close to EPA estimates and the quoted power figures (using 87 is like an 11% loss in power). That additional 30-50 cents per gallon adds up quick and changes the game when you think about it.....

11-13 mpg while using 87 (GT)
17 mpg while using 93 (EB)
Maybe that is the case in actual mpgs but only the 3.7 as far as I know is rated at its maximum output based on 87 octane, the GTs numbers are rated using premium gas only and as far as I know its been that way since 2015.

As far as loss is concerned, you cannot compare the 2.3L to the other platforms anyway, due to the displacement, CR, and of course the fact that it is a turbo, etc pretty much requires 91-93 pump gas. NA cars are far more forgiving in that department.

There is no "bigger issue" here due to the nature of the EB platform you cannot just engineer out its requirements to make it on par with the 3.7. IF however the 3.7 and the 5.0 were turbo'd maybe you would have a case here. =)
 

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When I had my ecoboost, it saw as high as 31 on the highway and as low as 21 in the city. My lifetime average with that car was 27 mpg. I tried regular in the boost and the car felt lethargic. Premium(93) was much better and the car was really responsive with it. I tried E15 a few times at Sheetz stations(They also have e85 at Sheetz) and it was a little better than regular, but not by much.

With my GT now, I can use regular gas with only a penalty of around 5 hp. My GT has seen as high as 23 on the highway and as low as 17 in the city. Lifetime average on the GT is right around 20 mpg. Granted, the GT is heavily modified with 4.10 gears where as the boost was pretty stock with 3.31 gears.

I thought both cars were fun to drive. The boost definitely handles better, it's no contest. But gas mileage is pretty much a wash if you run regular in the GT and premium in the ecoboost.
 

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at 60mph my car wouldn't touch 44mpg. That's a fantasy world these cars are not capable of. 32mpg is the absolute best I ever achieved with the car.
This just isn't an absolute statement. at 55-60mph I regularly hit over 40MPG using cruise control on a 150 mile stretch. Ford Performance tune. It IS capable.
 

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This just isn't an absolute statement. at 55-60mph I regularly hit over 40MPG using cruise control on a 150 mile stretch. Ford Performance tune. It IS capable.
On the fuel information graphics my bar tops out at 40. When you are averaging the 40 mpg that means the green would be above the 40 alot. Does the bar at 40 let the green top over it?
Just for information my overall best I could get on my vehicle was 33.4 mpg averaged on trip computer for over 5000 miles. My car is 17 manual and had 18" wheels. Install factory 20" and began driving normal so now my average at 6800 miles is 32.8 mpg

Stock tune.
 

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On the fuel information graphics my bar tops out at 40. When you are averaging the 40 mpg that means the green would be above the 40 alot. Does the bar at 40 let the green top over it?
Just for information my overall best I could get on my vehicle was 33.4 mpg averaged on trip computer for over 5000 miles. My car is 17 manual and had 18" wheels. Install factory 20" and began driving normal so now my average at 6800 miles is 32.8 mpg

Stock tune.
Yeah, the only way to obtain that 40 mpg average is strictly under the conditions of sustained 55-60 mph speeds over extended highway driving. So practically speaking, since most of my driving is on the highway, my mixed average will sit in the mid 30's.
 

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Maybe that is the case in actual mpgs but only the 3.7 as far as I know is rated at its maximum output based on 87 octane, the GTs numbers are rated using premium gas only and as far as I know its been that way since 2015.

As far as loss is concerned, you cannot compare the 2.3L to the other platforms anyway, due to the displacement, CR, and of course the fact that it is a turbo, etc pretty much requires 91-93 pump gas. NA cars are far more forgiving in that department.

There is no "bigger issue" here due to the nature of the EB platform you cannot just engineer out its requirements to make it on par with the 3.7. IF however the 3.7 and the 5.0 were turbo'd maybe you would have a case here. =)
Did you even read my posts or just glance at them? I clearly said next to no loss. A 1-3% loss is not even worth mentioning on a 400+ hp motor. An 11% loss on a 310 hp motor is significant. Again, had you read and comprehended my post instead of just replying; the "bigger issue" I was talking about is gas prices. The EB is no cheaper to fill up than the 5.0 or 3.7. I would rather get 13 mpg using 87 (5.0) than get 17 mpg using premium (EB).
Or better yet....
Get 16 mpg using 87 (v6) vs 17 mpg using 93 (EB).
 

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It's not clear to me what the argument is. I do know that with a ProCal tune and 93 gas I'm averaging 24.3 in combined city/hwy driving.

It will hang with a GT now stop light to stop light, though I have no doubt it would get swallowed at the upper end.

$2.84 x 18 = $51.12
$3.44 x 18 = $61.92

270 miles for $51.12 @ 15 mpg on 18 gallons of gas is about 19 cents per mile
432 miles for $61.92 @ 24 mpg on 18 gallons of gas is about 14 cents per mile

( I know.. 18 is too much, but it scales...) :D

If economy is the issue; the GT can't compete.
If raw performance is the issue; there is no replacement for displacement.
 

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It's not clear to me what the argument is. I do know that with a ProCal tune and 93 gas I'm averaging 24.3 in combined city/hwy driving.

It will hang with a GT now stop light to stop light, though I have no doubt it would get swallowed at the upper end.

$2.84 x 18 = $51.12
$3.44 x 18 = $61.92

270 miles for $51.12 @ 15 mpg on 18 gallons of gas is about 19 cents per mile
432 miles for $61.92 @ 24 mpg on 18 gallons of gas is about 14 cents per mile

( I know.. 18 is too much, but it scales...) :D

If economy is the issue; the GT can't compete.
If raw performance is the issue; there is no replacement for displacement.

Your argument is biased. You are rating the average mpg for the GT too low. Instead of 15 mpg, try 20 mpg.
 

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Your argument is biased. You are rating the average mpg for the GT too low. Instead of 15 mpg, try 20 mpg.
I was using your number. I don't know what milage GTs get.
At 20 mpg it's a wash economically (not counting purchase price of the car)
 

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I was using your number. I don't know what milage GTs get.
At 20 mpg it's a wash economically (not counting purchase price of the car)
For the 2017 the EPA estimates EcoBoost at 24 MPG combined and the GT at 18 MPG combined.
 

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Per AAA, national average gas price as of today (7/13/2018) is $2.886 for Regular and $3.425 for Premium, for the difference of $0.53 (I'm rounding to the nearest cent).

Per Federal Highway Administration, average American drives 13,476 miles per year.

2018 EB Mustang's EPA combined gas mileage is 25.00 MPG. Therefore...

13,476 miles/year / 25.5 MPG = 528.47 gallons/year

528.47 gallons * $0.53 = $280.09 extra cost for using Premium over Regular, or...

$280.09 / 12 = $23.34 extra per month.

If $23.34 extra per month will break your bank, then Mustang's probably not a good car for you since it squarely falls under the "want" category rather than a "need".
 
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All of these equations seem to be off task . There will be differences with the real numbers and these equations are not individual quantities ..
Reads as though they would be formulated for the laws of averages and not drawn from gallons used divided from actual mileages .


I get that we choose to utilize premium fuels and a GT owner may utilize regular octane , but do you not think that most or even a consiensus GT owner may prefer to utilize premium also ?
 

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I get that we choose to utilize premium fuels and a GT owner may utilize regular octane , but do you not think that most or even a consiensus GT owner may prefer to utilize premium also ?
EPA estimates are based on use of recommended gas, which is 87 octane for both engines. Using premium fuel will not appreciably affect economy. It takes a certain amount of horsepower to accelerate the car at a given rate, or to keep the car rolling at a given speed. It takes a certain amount of fuel to create a given amount of horsepower, and the engine won't care if it's burning 87 or 93 octane to create it. All premium fuel does is allow enough timing advance that the engine can make MORE horsepower, over and above what can be produced using regular fuel. And when you make that additional horsepower you'll burn more fuel to do it; there's no such thing as a free lunch.

All other things being equal, your car will not get better mileage cruising at 70 mph with premium fuel. Wind direction and speed will have a far greater impact on economy than fuel octane. With the CARB rules that were in effect when the Mustang EcoBoost was first introduced, if it were possible to get better economy using premium Ford would have recommended it's use.
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