Dimensional difference between 2016 Camaro & Mustang

[Davy_Baby9]

Is this the street you are referring to ?? ...No auto enthusiast would state that the Alpha platform is "pretty terrible".

http://www.sesamestreet.org/

I was just joking man, it was in response the pill basically saying that since it doesn't have this magical footprint ratio, it's will suck.

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[ClevelandV8]

I was just joking man, it was in response the pill basically saying that since it doesn't have this magical footprint ratio, it's will suck.

Ah, OK....Sometimes it's difficult to detect if humor is on purpose or not, based on some of the other comments made on this thread.

 

[thePill]

So basically what you're saying is that you need to hang on to this because the Mustang can win as long as the camaro is restricted by stupid racing rules of crap racing that maybe a few thousand people watch. This is all you have left because the camaro has the better suspension (aluminum) compared to the mustang's cheap heavy stamped steel links, the stronger engine, the better power to weight, the lower center of gravity, the superior roll center, superior aero, and vastly superior transmissions. LMFAO yeah let's talk about cars setup in a way non of us will ever do instead of talking about how they come from the people who designed them. You need to step up to the gt350 to get the aluminum suspension components that come standard on the camaro. For the people who don't understand how Ford and GM work, They both build cheap vehicles to make money, Ford is just a little cheaper and you can see this in any Ford vs GM, Ford has to do this because they chose stupid expensive engines. Go look at the f150 vs Silverado and it's the same story, f150 has cheap stamped steel suspension including control arms vs Silverado cast and forged aluminum and steel. This is just the way it is, they have to save money because of all the extra springs, valves, camshafts, machining, etc on the engines while still having the cheapest entry prices. You can spend more to improve your mustang, but most of you will only care about the way it looks or adding more power to your little engines, and not all the cheap parts you can't see. This is the bottom line of why the camaro will always destroy the Mustang on a race track and always be first in innovation, your weak little engines cost too much. We all know about the ass whooping that's coming, it's about time you let go of this silly wheelbase and scca garbage and accept your car for what it is, 2nd.

I read 1/2 of the first sentence and stopped...


The main thing you need to take away here is, while a better footprint is a huge advantage, it doesn't mean the Mustang will destroy the Camaro or the Camaro sucks. Many people here allow their emotions to amplify the content of my post... and warp it into their own argument...

The fact is, the Mustang has a near optimal footprint that is most comparable to the C7 Corvette. This is simply optimal for road racing, track and solo. It will actually be a slight disadvantage in the 1/4 mile.

While the Mustang and Camaro appear very similar in most dimensions, the fact is, the Mustang is built on a far better base. Not to mention the Mustang being just wider overall and has a shorter wheelbase screams "Competitive". The GT350 goes on to balance the front and rear ratios out.

Don't be offended, GM settled on basically a smaller Full Size Sedan Platform. They figured BMW did it BUT, if anyone noticed, the increase from 108 to 110 was not well received. Ford uses a small Dedicated Mid-Sized Platform with a near optimal/optimal Wheelbase:Track Ratio. The Camaro uses a small Full Size Sedan Platform borrowed from the CTS that has a less than ideal Wheelbase:Track Ratio. The Mustang integrates the Convertible/HALO support into the structure, the Camaro is tied together with Sub-Frame Connectors as needed...


That is fact...

 

[thePill]

I was just joking man, it was in response the pill basically saying that since it doesn't have this magical footprint ratio, it's will suck.

It's not magical, it's mathematical... You simply cannot argue this number, it was determined about 16,000 years ago by Mankind and is incorporated into every load bearing structure one way or another.

The Great Pyramids have a 1.618 Width:Height Ratio as well... So, the Golden Ratio is at least that old... The concept itself is probably older than our Solar System.

 

[thePill]

Dimensions be damned...

The ATS-V's curb weight has been updated on Google.

That's in small step for thePill... One giant leap... for... thePill's...kind

I believe the Camaro's final figures will be 10-15lbs lighter than the ATS-V's. Hell, I was told the MRC, NPP 1SS the media had weighed 3803lbs. The exhaust is 6-9lbs lighter I heard.

 

[thePill]

OFFICIALLY UPDATED ON CADDYS WEBSITE.

ATS-V COUPE WEIGHS 3803lbs!!!

THEPILL HAS WON!!!!

http://m.cadillac.com/v-series/ats-v-coupe/models/standard.html

Sedan weighs 3812lbs!!! :lol:

http://m.cadillac.com/v-series/ats-v-sedan/models/standard.html


So this would mean the 3754lbs and 3762lbs ATS-V with Track Pack and Recaro's DID in fact reduce the weight by... oh let's see here... Like 51lbs... unless Motor Trend is full of sh!t. The Track Pack (like I said) reduces curb weight by 33lbs. Which means the Recaro's DO reduce the curb weight even further. Roughly 17lbs is left on the table using the MT standard. 11lbs for the LL cars 3762lbs. Didn't I say 5-10lbs per seat? Yeah? Right? Didn't I???

Yes, I did... and that's what it came out to.

2016 Camaro will settle between 3780-3820lbs. BE THANKFUL YOU GET THAT. It may end up over 3850lbs at this rate.

 

[thePill]

OFFICIAL!!!

thePill won't let you down... Sources were correct in the first place. Same sources that tell me the 1SS is 3803lbs as tested too... Only MRC, NPP and wheels were optioned to keep it with the old 1LE.

:lol:

Trust in me... I do not try to mislead you.


So, who was right?

Was General Motors, Cadillac, all the initial reports from the media and ALL the long hours of insanity claims against thePill???

Or was thePill f@ckin' right the whole time :lol:

Good night ladies and gentleman... we could have a busy month ;)

 

[thePill]

So the 110.7x63.1 Camaro is OFFICIALLY 118lbs LIGHTER than the 109.3x61.5/62.5 ATS-V Coupe. Congratulations Team Camaro!!! You have successfully fooled your fanbase. Thanks for making them appear incredibly naive to us Mustang fans.

I'm incredibly intrigued to find out how a larger CTS based Camaro with much larger and heavier equipment lost 118lbs over the ATS-V Coupe with little or no changes to the structure. Hmmmmmm.... this will be interesting...

I'm also beginning to wonder why the ATS and CTS didn't make use of this amazing technology.

 

[Davy_Baby9]

Sweet Jesus, these last responses aren't even worth replying. I 100% bet that GM uses the same quality materials and sound deadening in their $60k-$88k Cadillac as the entry level Chevrolet.

You're talking like these cars have the exact same components except for the dimensions. Whatever you have to do to make yourself feel better man. :lol:

 

[thePill]

Sweet Jesus, these last responses aren't even worth replying. I 100% bet that GM uses the same quality materials and sound deadening in their $60k-$88k Cadillac as the entry level Chevrolet.

You're talking like these cars have the exact same components except for the dimensions. Whatever you have to do to make yourself feel better man. :lol:

No they are not, just STFU... In fact, just hold all your responses from now on since your opinion is worth very little.
A 3685lbs Camaro seems pretty silly now against a 3803lbs ATS-V.

I will want to hear directly from you when your 3850lbs Camaro is served up.

Caddy straight up LIED to you until a few sales went out. Not so "Class Leading" now are we. You, the idiots that thought this a joke and GM can pretty much rot. thePill was right, hundreds of you were wrong. GM f@cked up and you fell for it :lol:
:lol: Suck it up!!!

 

[Shawnski]

Sweet Jesus, these last responses aren't even worth replying. :lol:

But you did anyway. TDI, huh? Polluter.

 

[bmatt]

But you did anyway. TDI, huh? Polluter.

:lol: Yes, exactly. The point is now proven that GM wasn't entirely honest about the ATS-V weight, so now it has become a whole lot more feasible that they are not being honest about the Camaro either. If it is the weight thePill is suggesting then the performance advantage that the SS has over the Mustang GT is gone for the manual at least (I believe the power advantage is largely offset by higher gearing in the Camaro). The A8 will likely still have a slight advantage, though.

 

[Davy_Baby9]

But you did anyway. TDI, huh? Polluter.

51mpg daily polluter

Online mags should have weights on Friday or Saturday do we'll see quickly who's right. Problem is I don't see magazines testing a base 1SS.

 

[thePill]

:lol: Yes, exactly. The point is now proven that GM wasn't entirely honest about the ATS-V weight, so now it has become a whole lot more feasible that they are not being honest about the Camaro either. If it is the weight thePill is suggesting then the performance advantage that the SS has over the Mustang GT is gone for the manual at least (I believe the power advantage is largely offset by higher gearing in the Camaro). The A8 will likely still have a slight advantage, though.

This, I agree... with the exception of the LT1/Auto discrepancies, it will have a distinct advantage in the 1/4 mile... It may produce a faster lap but, I wouldn't count on that being consistent... merely a product of no shifting...

GM was in fact stretching the truth, or advertising an estimate just to boast "Best in class". All they are really doing is putting up numbers to attract buyers that don't know any better. Most Camaro people fit this criteria.

The Camaro being officially 15lbs lighter than an ATS was kinda silly. Now that it is 118lbs lighter... well... it just seems like they are trying to stop Mustang sales without having a product available.

Key thing to take away here? thePill wasn't bullsh!tting nor is he bullsh!tting you about the 1SS... It is a 3800lbs car, best case scenario... likely more...

 

[02gtnh]

I see two things that were originally to be on the ATS V that looks like are not standard according to the site. Looks like the carbon fiber hood is listed as available instead of standard, and the show run flat tires as standard instead of the Pilot S tires.

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