Completely new to Ford

[Adamone92]

I agree that Voodoo engine failures are concerning. I had 33,000 trouble free miles with mine, but I still decided that I wanted to sell. Partially just to try something else (the Corvette Z06 I traded it for), but also partially because I knew it could be a potentially expensive repair. That's really the only reason why I don't currently own a GT350. The GT350 does have a track warranty, by the way.




Stopping distance (or time as you incorrectly stated the typical statistic used) is related more to tires than to brakes. Any modern car can lock up the wheels with the brakes and engage ABS. I take this statement as a lack of understanding for what is unique about great brakes versus good ones.

The Camaro SS 1LE has lower treadlife, stickier tires than the original Pilot SS tires that came on the earlier GT350s. I think that Ford made a better choice with tires. They were great on track and still lasted ~16,000 miles for me (rears). The fronts lasted about 20,000 miles.

But those extra sticky tires on the SS 1LE - impractical as they may be for daily driving - do give the car a better lap time than it would have if equipped with a more appropriate, longer life tire for daily driving.



Yes SS 1LE is cheap. I agree.



I've driven an SS, which has the same stuff as a 1LE. Same direct injection only engine (GM cheaped out), same transmission, same annoying skip shift. I had the skip shift on my Z06 as well. I did the defeat it thing on the Z. Still irritates me and I don't want it.



For some people they aren't boring engines I'm sure. Some people drive NA Miatas on track and enjoy the heck out of them. Not me.

Yes at times I get a little tired of the same discussion over and over again as well - especially in a "completely new to ford" thread in the GT350 forum. I would expect your posts in a Camaro forum or if someone were asking about the SS 1LE, but not here and in this thread. There have been a few people that do this over the years. When I owned my last GM vehicle I still hung out here (the Corvette forums I found are terrible). Maybe I did the same thing. I hope not.

i like how yall enjoy pointing out semantics when the arguments dont go your way, as if to try to change the focus. I type on a phone, quickly or in a rush most of the time, so sometimes there may be errors other than spelling. From my memory, the same tires were used for the comparison. I thought that would be obvious. The 1le outperforms on same tires. Something that gets replaced so frequently with track use is a pretty weak argument. next.

another weak argument not really adding anything to the conversation, especially since you miss the main point being as much or more performance for less (which is the MAIN point of these cars in the first place, or is that not one of the main reasons people on here dont own a camry or fusion instead?) so next.

If you've driven the new 1le, then your argument about skip shift makes absolutely no sense, same for not being able to rev the engine out as it still has a pretty high rev limiter. I dont see why you would shift this car (or the mustang for that matter) at 2k rpms. so again, your argument doesnt make much sense, but i digress. You keep talking about GM cheaping out when the mustang has the china mt82 with a lawsuit against it. OK.

You seem to have missed the chain of events in this thread, and what OP originally asked for. Maybe read his original post, as well as how this argument got started (people being butthurt over me not wanting the gt350 or recommending it based on OP's original needs for his car). Plot twist, i never even recommended the camaro to him. i CLEARLY didnt come to this thread to talk about the camaro. So again..your point makes no sense.

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[Adamone92]

Oh, by the way, the GT350 is warrantied for track (non racing) use. And the R is comparable to the ZL1 not the SS. Sorry, back on subject

I could be wrong, but thats not what i heard from some other gt350 owners.

the R also competes with the SS. sorry to burst that bubble. How much more does it cost than the camaro variants too?

i want to be on subject too, but alas..new people add their 2 cents.

 

[foolwithtools]

I'm still here...lurking! lol

I'm 90% sure I'm getting a 2019+ Mustang. Just not sure if it will be a Shelby or a Roush stage 3. I know there's a world of difference between those 2, still looking at videos and forums. What I do know is that I want a 6MT and the Camaro/Challenger is out. There just isn't many other options.

I've never driven a Roush but I've heard some people complain that all a Roush gives you is extra power and does not do anything to improve handling. Maybe test drive one before you make a choice?

 

[foolwithtools]

I could be wrong, but thats not what i heard from some other gt350 owners.

the R also competes with the SS. sorry to burst that bubble. How much more does it cost than the camaro variants too?

i want to be on subject too, but alas..new people add their 2 cents.

I must say it's odd seeing someone that hates GT350 owners and GT350s on a GT350 forum. It's like joining a Katy Perry fan club when you can't stand her music, hate her as a person, and hate her fans lol

 

[Adamone92]

I must say it's odd seeing someone that hates GT350 owners and GT350s on a GT350 forum. It's like joining a Katy Perry fan club when you can't stand her music, hate her as a person, and hate her fans lol

i must say its odd when people say things like this clearly without reading what was actually said.

i said i like MOST gt350 owners, and i love the gt350 and mustang as a whole, it just wasnt for me. So how is your post relevant?

 

[Bikeman315]

OK, so old person here, again, adding his two cents. Depending on your point of view both sides of this discussion are valid. But.......

Regardless of what variant the Camaro is, no matter how good it is (and this is a known value), at the end of the day its just a Camaro. The GT350 is a Shelby. For all of its faults it will always be a Shelby. And Shelby's are special in a way a Camaro will never be. Whether or not that justifies the additional cost is up to the prospective buyer.

 

[Adamone92]

OK, so old person here, again, adding his two cents. Depending on your point of view both sides of this discussion are valid. But.......

Regardless of what variant the Camaro is, no matter how good it is (and this is a known value), at the end of the day its just a Camaro. The GT350 is a Shelby. For all of its faults it will always be a Shelby. And Shelby's are special in a way a Camaro will never be. Whether or not that justifies the additional cost is up to the prospective buyer.

the two cents remark was more to jab at the point that its a bit redundant to say "back on subject" when that very person is helping stray from said subject. I then reply to some of the inaccurate statements (like my most recent reply). Which admittedly doesnt help stay on topic (you know..the one where i never even recommended the camaro to the OP..but i digress). I have never had anything against someone stating their opinion, lol.

We can agree to disagree and that's fine. I like the Shelby, i just don't praise it like some here do.
At the end of the day to 90% of people, we all drive the same car.

 

[RPDBlueMoon]

I must say it's odd seeing someone that hates GT350 owners and GT350s on a GT350 forum. It's like joining a Katy Perry fan club when you can't stand her music, hate her as a person, and hate her fans lol

Hate is a strong word so I won't use it, but to be fair I am a GT350 myself and there are a few owners that are on this forum that I don't like. People get super defensive and some just act like a complete ass for no reason, and then others are pretentious. It is typical guy drama. Too much testosterone for me to handle

You can go on any car forum or message board and see the same thing.

It isn't odd at all. I just ignore it. The first time I had a member reach out to me it was one of the first things I talked about to make sure it wasn't just me who felt this way.

 

[Adamone92]

Hate is a strong word so I won't use it, but to be fair I am a GT350 myself and there are a few owners that are on this forum that I don't like. People get super defensive and some just act like a complete ass for no reason, and then others are pretentious. It is typical guy drama. Too much testosterone for me to handle

You can go on any car forum or message board and see the same thing.

It isn't odd at all. I just ignore it. The first time I had a member reach out to me it was one of the first things I talked about to make sure it wasn't just me who felt this way.

FWIW, you are one of the main gt350 owners that come to mind when i say i like most of the gt350 owners on this forum

 

[svttim]

I could be wrong, but thats not what i heard from some other gt350 owners.

the R also competes with the SS. sorry to burst that bubble. How much more does it cost than the camaro variants too?

i want to be on subject too, but alas..new people add their 2 cents.

The R vs the ZL1 (non 1LE) So, your saying the SS is as fast as the ZL1. Someone tell Chevrolet?

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[Adamone92]

ok...? your image fails to leave off the ss 1le time, but dont worry..my below one has it.

i also looked up ss 1le vs gt350r track times for laguna seca, NCM, willow springs, etc..and they are pretty even.

the zl1 1le beat the gt350r by what.. 16 seconds? at Nurburgring if you want to bring up the zl1. No the ss 1le isnt as fast as a zle, neither is the gt350r

a quick google for laguna seca
gt350r

Laguna Seca (post 1988)

1:36.11

ss 1le (a 2016 at that)
1:37.780

there are a couple of other courses where the ss 1le came out on top.

Willow springs
gt350r

Time

1:28.289

ss 1le

Time

1:20.670

(a different one was 1.28.03 so the 1.20 time might be...off? idk, its posted by fastestlaps so im not sure about that one.) Edit: yeah im sure the 1.20 is a typo or something.

zl1 non 1le ran it in 1.25 for reference.

since you posted an image by H2H:



my intention wasnt to be posting times back and fourth, but i didnt think it was a secret the ss 1le was competing with the gt350 and 350r in regards to times. $$ for times its not close. To be fair..the other vehicles the camaro and shelby are competing with are much more expensive. So relatively speaking both are a bargain. which again...i will state that i never said the gt350/r is a bad car or bad track car for that matter. I said it wasnt for me..which then caused this whole debate which is funny. FWIW the 2021 1le packages can also be had in a 10r80 for those that want even more performance or dont want a manual. I prefer the manual personally.

which again, IM not even the one that wanted to start debating all of this in the first place.

 

[Bikeman315]

Man, just look at those times. Just let them sink in a little bit. American iron that you can drive daily on the street. Do not know how much longer it is going to last but we should all be grateful for what we have.

 

[Adamone92]

Man, just look at those times. Just let them sink in a little bit. American iron that you can drive daily on the street. Do not know how much longer it is going to last but we should all be grateful for what we have.

agree 100%. i respect all of them, which doesnt seem to be how many people feel.

 

[RPDBlueMoon]

Man, just look at those times. Just let them sink in a little bit. American iron that you can drive daily on the street. Do not know how much longer it is going to last but we should all be grateful for what we have.

Wow I didn't know that they were that fast. Jesus. Very impressive

The AMG GT S looks weak

 

[Adamone92]

Wow I didn't know that they were that fast. Jesus. Very impressive

The AMG GT S looks weak

randy also ran these times with the zl1



trying to find some for newer years but i dont have the time at this moment.

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