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[Threebanger]

Just installed and tested my Airaid. The sound tube delete is worth it! I think Ford played some kinda twisted joke putting the aft end of the tube on the firewall w/a 6' stud.

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[sqidd]

JLT

Jlt

JLT for me as well.

And you base this on what facts?

Whichever one you think looks better. It won't make enough of a difference to even matter.

Wrong

 

[sqidd]

As far as performance goes, consider the following:
1. The stock intake is already a "cold air intake", and pulls air from outside the engine compartment. How then do you improve on this.

The only way to improve it is to go bigger. But considering that the stock intake/airbox will support 750+hp it isn't going to be an issue for 99.9% of people.

First, you can fit a larger filter element in order to reduce the resistance of the filter itself.

OEM filters of the same size/material have been tested up to 750hp.

Second, you can make the intake tube smoother and larger in order to reduce the resistance of the intake tube.

Smoothing wouldn't hurt, but it won't help unless someone is making big power though.

Finally, you can attempt to insulate the intake tube in order to minimize the heat transfer through the intake tube itself.

This won't hurt.

Note that the temperature effects are most prevalent when stopped and at low engine speeds.

You mean "more prevalent". There is still a dramatic temperature effect while at speed.

When the car is in motion the engine bay will be cooler due to airflow through the radiator.

The air on the back side of the radiator is hot, not cold.

So, depending on your driving, you may not care as much (or at all) about potential temperature issues because they will mostly go away when you are at speed.

The high temps don't even get close to going away at speed.

If you are a road course guy you might not care at all.

100% completely wrong. Open track cars produce incredible amounts of heat under the hood.

If you are drag racing, you might care more because your launch might be affected by higher intake temps that could occur while staging.

If anyone wasn't going to care it would be a drag racer. Very little heat soak.

The Airraid has a sealed box with a duct going to the stock location. It doesn't look like the tube or box is insulated any more than the stock unit. Should be better than the stock for flow and similar for temps.

Yes

The JLT has a box that is "shielded" against the hood, but which has some small leaks around the slot for the tube. Most of the air should come through the stock location, but some may come through the seams around the tube. It looks like it may have an even larger filter than the Airraid. I suspect similar or better flow than the Airraid with the potential for higher temps when stationary.

Far, far more heat gets around that shield than you think. It may ultimately flow more than the Airraid, but that extra flow won't be needed in ANY NA application and 99.9% of boosted applications.

Again, when moving the temps should not be a concern on any design IMO

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. This is not my opinion. This is fact based on real testing.

I would probably base most of my decision on how well the company is represented, what their service is like, and how good the product looks under the hood.

That's too bad. Until the customer base votes with their wallets for better product manufacturers will continue to churn out the same tired old stuff that doesn't work. And the less educated will be duped into buying it.

 

[Trackaholic]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. This is not my opinion. This is fact based on real testing.

Do you have test data to share?

So far, I've only seen a video posted by the guys at JLT which showed a 5-9 degree temperature rise over ambient. That seems pretty minor to me.

If the intake is pulling a large amount of air from the engine bay, then I could see temps being more of an issue, but I haven't seen anyone showing the significance of that yet. I've seen a couple people argue strongly that it is a factor, but no evidence as to how much of a factor. I can certainly believe it could be possible depending on the airbox design and where the flow restrictions are occurring, but would like to see data.

If temps really do increase as much as you argue, then definitely there would be reasons to avoid certain designs.

-T

 

[Todd15Fastback]

And you base this on what facts?
Wrong

Ahhhhhh, yes. I noticed these CAI threads were fairly quiet without you posting your abrasive comments. Now you are back with the same abrasive comments after being always for 2 weeks.

Facts? The information that has been presented to me by Jay/JLT. Used their products in the past and they performed as I expected. It is my free choice to go with what vendor I choose. I know for sure, I would not buy a product you make based on how you conduct yourself on these forums regardless of what performance gains are realized.

You spout all this info that is shared and the fact the JLT product is bad yet you present no factual information. Like always. You don't like JLT for whatever the reason. Tisk, tisk.

Time to find that ignore feature for you

 

[JASON@ANCHOR-ROOM]

JLT FTW

 

[908ssp]

Sqidd and I both use JLT products they made some great stuff...emphasis on made. Now it is time for them to step up and make better stuff. It isn't that hard Ford gave them a great start. If you buy now you will either be sorry you didn't wait or you will live with second best. If I am not mistaken JLT already said they were building one that was truly sealed from engine compartment hot air.

 

[Tommy V]

Sqidd and I both use JLT products they made some great stuff...emphasis on made. Now it is time for them to step up and make better stuff. It isn't that hard Ford gave them a great start. If you buy now you will either be sorry you didn't wait or you will live with second best. If I am not mistaken JLT already said they were building one that was truly sealed from engine compartment hot air.

Ok then u show me a cai for us drag race car that keeps iat temp down enough to where it matters, oh and with data not words.When staging at the track u could be sitting for 2to 4 minutes and all the cai at this point have iat rise, again its the amount of air that these intakes get into the engine that matter, and I know jlt flows a whole lot of cfm's.But show me one that why im staging that is going to give me significantly reduced iat.The reason a tune is required for all these cai is because of the extra amount of air it brings into the engine, not the reduced iat.

 

[sqidd]

Do you have test data to share?

So far, I've only seen a video posted by the guys at JLT which showed a 5-9 degree temperature rise over ambient. That seems pretty minor to me.

If the intake is pulling a large amount of air from the engine bay, then I could see temps being more of an issue, but I haven't seen anyone showing the significance of that yet. I've seen a couple people argue strongly that it is a factor, but no evidence as to how much of a factor. I can certainly believe it could be possible depending on the airbox design and where the flow restrictions are occurring, but would like to see data.

If temps really do increase as much as you argue, then definitely there would be reasons to avoid certain designs.

-T

What do you want for data?

 

[sqidd]

Ahhhhhh, yes. I noticed these CAI threads were fairly quiet without you posting your abrasive comments. Now you are back with the same abrasive comments after being always for 2 weeks.

When you hear something you don't want to hear it's abrasive? I'll bet if the information was something you did want to hear you wouldn't call it the same.

The information that has been presented to me by Jay/JLT.

Information given to you by the manufacturer who's driving force is to sell product. I'll just leave that there and let it speak for itself.

Used their products in the past and they performed as I expected.

Do you have any test data? If not how do you know that it performed as you expected?

It is my free choice to go with what vendor I choose.

Who said it wasn't? This is just manufactured drama by you.

I know for sure, I would not buy a product you make based on how you conduct yourself on these forums regardless of what performance gains are realized.

So you would buy an inferior product from someone because the person selling the superior one doesn’t use a tone that you like on a forum? If that is your buying criteria there is no point in using logic to reason with you.

BTW, I do not sell or will never sell CAI’s.

You spout all this info that is shared and the fact the JLT product is bad yet you present no factual information. Like always. You don't like JLT for whatever the reason. Tisk, tisk.

Here you go with your assumptions and self manufactured drama again. I don't dislike JLT. I even own and run JLT stuff. I simply don't like the JLT "solution" in this one specific situation.

Time to find that ignore feature for you

If you don't like the TRUTH, by all means ignore away.

 

[sqidd]

For those of you that can think with anything besides emotion I would like to say this:

I don't sell CAI's, I will never sell CAI's, I have zero interest in it. I post this not so popular viewpoint to help you, the Mustang community. What else could I have for a motivation? In fact, here I am posting information based on exhaustive study that I did to solve IAT issues for myself personally.

If I were to know something was a bad idea should I simply not say anything because it is not popular? Or should I post up trying to fill the community in? I sure am catching a lot of flack for posting the TRUTH. If you guys would rather have me not say anything at all or simply lie so I can also tote the popular message you let me know.

I have nothing to gain from posting up my experience aside from knowing I tried to put a little good back out there. I could just as easily keep my mouth shut and watch droves of people flush their money down the toilet. I certainly wouldn't catch as much flack if I chose the latter..

 

[sqidd]

Ok then u show me a cai for us drag race car that keeps iat temp down enough to where it matters, oh and with data not words.

So you want someone who doesn't make and sell CAI's to do a test, collect all the data, put it in presentable form to prove what? Cold air is better than hot air? That sort of testing costs $$$$$$.

How about you demand that the manufactures come up with the data to support what they claim? So far all you have taken is their word. The ones trying to sell you something.

 

[Trackaholic]

What do you want for data?

What do you got?

Like I said, I saw a video from JLT that shows only a marginal increase in temps.

Would be interesting to see a video, datalog, or anything that shows the temps increasing over ambient, and under what conditions the car was running.

I'm an engineer so I like seeing raw numbers and an explanation of where they came from. Even in the auto world, it seems that most of the aftermarket choices are governed by anecdote rather than anything scientific. Ironically, I always buy cars based on passion, so I can understand why so much of the aftermarket is based on subjective criteria (especially things like exhaust systems, where sound is probably the most important consideration, with power increases second to that).

I've really enjoyed the Mishimoto threads, because they lay out a pretty cool report about each of their development efforts, along with some testing that shows how it works (saw one about their oil cooler and their oil separator). I really like that approach, and would like to see something similar from other vendors.

-T

 

[sqidd]

Like I said, I saw a video from JLT that shows only a marginal increase in temps.

Where is this video at?

 

[Tommy V]

If u think that stock airbox and paper filter, is going to outflow a jlt intake u lost ur mind.

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