Auto Vs Manual 0-60

[SLVRBACK]

This is gonna turn into people just saying whatever they ordered is better.

It boils down to preference and use of the car. If you cant live without that "connection" you have with a stick then so be it. If you prefer paddles and have a long commute or what have you. Buy the auto.

With the 11-14's the autos are quicker, more reliable and more consistant *. Some people cant live without rowing the gears though, and I completely get that.

* This pertains to 1/4 mile and straight line performance, not autocross.

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[scottpe]

Ideal? No. But paddles make the auto a damned good compromise.

Depends on Ford's execution. Considering nobody has driven one with paddles yet, I'll guess we'll see about that. ;)

 

[Leeky]

After reading lots of forums about Mt82 vs 6r80 I've decided I'll probably go Auto.

Out of the 25 cars I've owned in my life only 5 were auto as I've done lots of track/racing and autos have always had too few gears and been a bit slow/dumb. But the 6r80 from what I have read is the stronger gearbox and can handle more stock for stock than the manual. Plus paddle shift is becoming the modern choice in premium GT cars. Nothing wrong with manual but I think it's starting to look old fashion in such a modern car as the latest futuristic mustang.

Couple that with no clutch to burn out/replace, not having to change gear when all I want to do is cruise, paddle shift for when I do want to do a track day and rev matching (which I think is very cool) I think for me the pro's for the auto outweigh the pro's of the manual. And this is coming from a huge manual fan.

So as long as Ford don't now say "the auto comes with less hp than the manual car" I think I've made my choice.

What I would like though is the 3.55:1 diff, so I hope Ford offer this in the uk :(

 

[marks]

Well enjoy but be wary that there can be serious issues with autos. I had a flappy paddle on M5 and had loads of software issues, hugely expensive to fix. You're right that the market is going towards autos, I suppose it won't be long before they remove the pedals and steering wheel all to improve efficiency which the market will buy into.

 

[SLVRBACK]

After reading lots of forums about Mt82 vs 6r80 I've decided I'll probably go Auto.

Out of the 25 cars I've owned in my life only 5 were auto as I've done lots of track/racing and autos have always had too few gears and been a bit slow/dumb. But the 6r80 from what I have read is the stronger gearbox and can handle more stock for stock than the manual. Plus paddle shift is becoming the modern choice in premium GT cars. Nothing wrong with manual but I think it's starting to look old fashion in such a modern car as the latest futuristic mustang.

Couple that with no clutch to burn out/replace, not having to change gear when all I want to do is cruise, paddle shift for when I do want to do a track day and rev matching (which I think is very cool) I think for me the pro's for the auto outweigh the pro's of the manual. And this is coming from a huge manual fan.

So as long as Ford don't now say "the auto comes with less hp than the manual car" I think I've made my choice.

What I would like though is the 3.55:1 diff, so I hope Ford offer this in the uk :(

In terms of power the manual can handle the stock power but not much more if any reliably.

The auto can handle 800 hp stock. And to replace the intermmediate shaft and clutches is about $1000 dollars in parts. It can then handle 1000hp +

 

[Free Agent]

Manual no questions asked.

I said it before and I will say it again, if you are buying a high powered RWD car that you plan to enjoy, manual is the only option to get.

Automatic is ONLY if you have a disability with your left foot and can't clutch. Also the auto will always have a greater parasitic loss, the only exception is DCT (which still has more loss but makes up for it in lightning fast shifts)

I understand people have preferences, but if you are a true gear head / enthusiast and the situation permits - manual is the ONLY option here.

Otherwise you might as well get yourself a ford fusion and call it a day.

… or if you like winning at your local 1/8 or 1/4 mile track, go with the automatic. Don't pull the "true gear head" card. That is personal preference and nothing more.

 

[Free Agent]

Well enjoy but be wary that there can be serious issues with autos. I had a flappy paddle on M5 and had loads of software issues, hugely expensive to fix. You're right that the market is going towards autos, I suppose it won't be long before they remove the pedals and steering wheel all to improve efficiency which the market will buy into.

If I were to compare all the posts I've read online of people with blown autos or roasted clutches in a manual, it numbers about 5 to 1 with people replacing manual transmission parts (usually the clutches) over say a torque converter or other related automatic parts.

Yet again, this isn't an auto vs. manual debate. It is a BUY WHAT YOU PREFER debate. End of thread.

 

[KGrGunMan]

… or if you like winning at your local 1/8 or 1/4 mile track, go with the automatic. Don't pull the "true gear head" card. That is personal preference and nothing more.

Some people like to brag, "My car is faster than your car."
I'd rather brag, "I'm faster than you, regardless of car."

 

[scottpe]

In terms of power the manual can handle the stock power but not much more if any reliably.

Not true.

But it is true that the auto is going to be more durable overall.

 

[Leeky]

Well enjoy but be wary that there can be serious issues with autos. I had a flappy paddle on M5 and had loads of software issues, hugely expensive to fix. You're right that the market is going towards autos, I suppose it won't be long before they remove the pedals and steering wheel all to improve efficiency which the market will buy into.

The M5 isn't a real automatic. It's an automated clutched manual and yeah they can be a nightmare. A mate of mine has one. In less than 30k miles he has already destroyed his 2nd clutch and a clutch replacement is mega bucks as the software needs hours of re-calibration with the new clutch disk.

The mustang automatic is a good old fashion reliable torque convertor like the Lexus IS-F and the Merc CLK63 AMG. Not a lot to go wrong on these as long as the gearbox fluid is at the right level.

 

[Brent302]

Some people like to brag, "My car is faster than your car."
I'd rather brag, "I'm faster than you, regardless of car."

Exactly this was my point. My wife can jump in a Automatic Mustang and hit all the numbers from the magazine's all day long.

I prefer having the ability and knowledge to beat those numbers with a manual.

 

[SLVRBACK]

Not true.

But it is true that the auto is going to be more durable overall.

The mt-82 is rated at just about the factory power. And they break under stock mild bolt ons. So yeah.

 

[Brent302]

The mt-82 is rated at just about the factory power. And they break under stock mild bolt ons. So yeah.

Yes that's why numerous SuperCharged 2011-2014s with stock MT-82s are exploding each day....

The stock MT-82 has been proven on cars north of 600HP. For more the 12k miles and still using the stock clutch. So yeah. Mild bolts on lol.

 

[scottpe]

The mt-82 is rated at just about the factory power.

That is a common misconception.

The MT-82 was essentially developed as a truck transmission. Its torque rating was derived based on a gross vehicle weight of over 9,000lbs. Since torque capacity goes hand in hand with vehicle weight, at the ~3,800lb weight of a Mustang, it is capable of handling much more torque. The transmission itself can handle 600+ft/lbs of torque in a Mustang.

Now the stock clutch is another matter...

 

[Brent302]

That is a myth.

The MT-82 was essential developed as a truck transmission. Its torque rating was derived based on a gross vehicle weight of over 9,000lbs. Since torque capacity goes hand in hand with vehicle weight, at the ~3,800lb weight of a Mustang, it is capable of handling much more torque. The transmission itself can handle 600+ft/lbs of torque in a Mustang.

Now the stock clutch is another matter...

Bingo I thought this myth was squashed in 2011....

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