Aftermarket upgrades?

[HGFireHazard]

I plan on enjoying it stock for a while. One of the first changes will almost certainly be exhaust. We'll see what the aftermarket brings for cosmetic changes and what might enhance the look of the car after that. Power mods to come after the warranty is up.

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[Pablo GT350]

My thoughts exactly. Talking about getting coilovers already, without having any real-world performance results based on the stock suspension seems like a major leap. By all indications thus far, this new model will handle phenomenally. As has been pointed out before, Ford have already said the GT will out-handle the current Boss. This thing is going to have some serious handling chops right from the factory.

Well it needs to be lowered for sure. Probably don't need coil overs to do that.
I'm thinking that engine needs a nice Boss or CJ Intake. Even if it doesn't make much power (though I think it will), it looks badass especially the CJ.

 

[Taneras]

Considering this is still a 5.0, I'd assume that bama, lund, etc tunes should be safe from to get go since they already know so much about this engine? Whatever changes were made should be easy for them to tune.

 

[Colleton]

Ford racing offers a performance kit for 11-14 coyotes that includes air filter, oil filter, mufflers and a tune. They declare on their page that the package is eligible for limited warranty when installed by a Ford or Lincoln Dealer. So I would still argue that there exist tunes that will not void a warranty.
Here's the link: http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=12345

IIRC, the "limited warranty" you get if the parts are installed by a dealership is a 12 month / 12K mile warranty on the newly installed parts. It isn't referring to the factory warranty. If you blew the engine after installing this kit a dealership could deny your warranty claim and you'd be screwed. FR is aftermarket, it is not factory. If you order through the dealership and they do the installation it's doubtful they'd deny you, but you never know. Just sayin'...

Telling people that "a tune will not void warranty if it is from a reputable company" is just wrong.

You have to pay to play. If you mod your engine to the point where you need a tune, you need to be willing to pay for anything that might go wrong yourself. The mod shop most likely isn't going to stand behind you either. It'll be "bad gas" this, or "you did..." that, and they won't pay for squat.

 

[Taneras]

IIRC, the "limited warranty" you get if the parts are installed by a dealership is a 12 month / 12K mile warranty on the newly installed parts. It isn't referring to the factory warranty. If you blew the engine after installing this kit a dealership could deny your warranty claim and you'd be screwed. FR is aftermarket, it is not factory. If you order through the dealership and they do the installation it's doubtful they'd deny you, but you never know. Just sayin'...

Telling people that "a tune will not void warranty if it is from a reputable company" is just wrong.

You have to pay to play. If you mod your engine to the point where you need a tune, you need to be willing to pay for anything that might go wrong yourself. The mod shop most likely isn't going to stand behind you either. It'll be "bad gas" this, or "you did..." that, and they won't pay for squat.

You wouldn't be screwed because Ford Racing's warranty would still be in effect. The warranty just transfers from Ford to Ford Racing. If it was a Ford Racing part installed by a Ford dealership you're covered, by Ford Racing, for whatever the warranty is.

As for aftermarket parts, yes they very well could kill your warranty. It's pretty much up to each individual dealership. That's the risk you take when you mod. Even if its something silly like "We aren't going to fix your glove compartment because you tuned your car". Sure that sounds outlandish. What's your recourse if they refuse to honor your warranty? Take them to court? Sounds like a lot of trouble. In the end all roads lead to a pain in the ass for you.

I've modded my car and gotten warranty work done, my mods are minor and the warranty work was completely unrelated to the mods I've done. Still I'm prepared to be told no and have to pay for the repairs myself. I understand the risk and took it. Hopefully everyone understands the situation before they step into it. I forget which shop/company it was, (perhaps a Diablo device?) but it claimed that it was impossible for a dealership or Ford to detect a re-flash on the cars CPU. It was seemlingly well debunked by the forums I visited. Still, anyone not reading those debunking threads and just looked at the website could be fooled. Bottom line: With something this important please do your research. Make a well informed decision.

 

[Taneras]

Ford racing offers a performance kit for 11-14 coyotes that includes air filter, oil filter, mufflers and a tune. They declare on their page that the package is eligible for limited warranty when installed by a Ford or Lincoln Dealer. So I would still argue that there exist tunes that will not void a warranty.
Here's the link: http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=12345

Your factory warranty would be dissolved, but you'd get a renewed Ford Racing warranty for however long is listed. I didn't click the link so I'm not sure if it carries the rest of the Ford factory warranty or if its a set amount. If its a set amount make sure you understand that if you purchase those parts early enough in you might have your Ford Racing warranty run out before your Ford factory warranty would have ran out. For instance, lets say you tuned the car right off the bad and Ford Racing's warranty is only for 1 year. You're only going to get a years worth of a warranty then you're on your one.

Now I would like to think Ford is going to play nice, and "honor" their warranty for unrelated issues. Say, for instance, your power seat goes out. Obviously its not related to the parts you slapped on and they'll hopefully not give you any flack about it.

I have some minor mods on my car and have had 4 suspension repairs done to my car to try and get rid of a squeak. Gonna have to bring it back in again, but they haven't given me a seconds worth of trouble over my mods because they're totally unrelated to the problems I'm having. Now if it were related, I'd be skating on thin ice and probably paying out of pocket.

 

[Nate408]

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With the new suspension, just curious what benefit you were looking for by making a change like this?

I want a lower ride height, and moreover, an adjustable ride hight. I don't expect much of performance increase, but there will probably at least be a little.

 

[Colleton]

Your factory warranty would be dissolved, but you'd get a renewed Ford Racing warranty for however long is listed. I didn't click the link so I'm not sure if it carries the rest of the Ford factory warranty or if its a set amount.

No dude, I don't think so. When I was looking at a FR Power Pack for my '09 GT500 I looked into this pretty closely. You just get a replacement warranty on the installed parts, and only if a dealership installs the parts.

Since you didn't click the link, here is what is says in regards to the warranty: "Unlike many of our competitors, this Ford Racing Power Upgrade Package is 50 state emissions legal and eligible for limited warranty when installed by a Ford or Lincoln Dealer."

That limited warranty is a replacement warranty on the new parts. That's it. This is old news, it isn't a new thing.

 

[Taneras]

No dude, I don't think so. When I was looking at a FR Power Pack for my '09 GT500 I looked into this pretty closely. You just get a replacement warranty on the installed parts, and only if a dealership installs the parts.

Since you didn't click the link, here is what is says in regards to the warranty: "Unlike many of our competitors, this Ford Racing Power Upgrade Package is 50 state emissions legal and eligible for limited warranty when installed by a Ford or Lincoln Dealer."

That limited warranty is a replacement warranty on the new parts. That's it. This is old news, it isn't a new thing.

That's what I said.

If it was a Ford Racing part installed by a Ford dealership you're covered, by Ford Racing, for whatever the warranty is.

You made it seem as if the Ford Racing warranty was useless when you said you'd be screwed if you had one of their parts on your car and something broke. I was just saying that while your actual factory warranty would indeed be dissolved because you modded your car, the Ford Racing warranty would step in and you wouldn't be screwed.

This is, of course, assuming you had the part installed by a Ford or Lincoln dealership.

 

[Typhoon]

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With the new suspension, just curious what benefit you were looking for by making a change like this?

You sure wont be hindering performance over the stock setup. You will gain the ability to have adjustable ride height, adjustable dampening, caster, camber.

my mod list will probably be

• short through
• exshaust
• intake
• wheels
• anything to get ride of the secquental blinker
• forced induction
• tune

 

[scottpe]

IIRC, the "limited warranty" you get if the parts are installed by a dealership is a 12 month / 12K mile warranty on the newly installed parts. It isn't referring to the factory warranty. If you blew the engine after installing this kit a dealership could deny your warranty claim and you'd be screwed. FR is aftermarket, it is not factory.

This is incorrect. As Taneras has been saying, it DOES replace the factory warranty. Here is the exact wording taken directly from the warranty document.

"Performance Packs and Components are warranted for factory-supplied material or workmanship, when installed on a late model Ford vehicles by an authorized Ford or Lincoln Dealer or Shelby Automotive, Inc, beginning upon dealer installation and registration of the part(s) with Ford Racing for the balance of 3 years or 36,000 miles / 60,000 kilometres, whichever occurs first, from the start date of the manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty. This Limited Warranty replaces the existing manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty for engine, driveline and suspension parts when a concern is triggered by a warranted Ford Racing part. This Limited Warranty replaces the existing manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty for engine, driveline and suspension parts, when the warranted Ford Racing Part is identified as the causal part of a warrantable concern. Installation of these select Ford Racing parts by an authorized dealer does not nullify the New Vehicle Limited Warranty. All engine, driveline and suspension warranty issues not related to installation of Ford Racing parts remain subject to existing manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty."

As you so succinctly put it in a follow-up post: "This is old news, it isn't a new thing..." ;)

Now it should be stated that I do not believe that this type of warranty applies to ALL FR parts, only specific ones. So maybe that's what's causing the confusion from your standpoint. But the Ford tune, which is what spawned this debate, definitely IS covered.

 

[scottpe]

Considering this is still a 5.0, I'd assume that bama, lund, etc tunes should be safe from to get go since they already know so much about this engine? Whatever changes were made should be easy for them to tune.

The engine itself probably won't be hard for tuners to figure out -- though I suspect some experimentation will still be required to get it completely dialed in -- but who knows what changes Ford may have made to the PCM.

Bottom line is, it's very possible there will be a bit of a learning curve on the new model... it just probably won't be as steep as it was going from the 4.6 to the 5.0.

Personally, when it comes to plopping something in my car that's going to immediately void my powertrain warranty, I want to be darn sure it's completely sorted out and safe (i.e. tested and proven by OTHERS first). In the tuning game "oops" can be a VERY expensive 4-letter word.

 

[Darrinm03]

I will leave mine stock for a little bit, but first thing with either be the exhaust or the suspension to sit a little lower. I spent so much money going through so many exhausts on my 08 GT, and wasted so much money, buying x pipes and selling them on craigs list and all that crap. this time around i will take my time and research what i want to do. i dont plan on changing out the x pipe or even the headers on this car since i have the possibility of being stationed at a base in a state that does state inspections. Then i will be back to swapping out the exhaust again. my car now is too loud to where im afraid to punch it, because it gets extremely loud and attracts too much unwanted attention. And being military police, it would look really bad getting a racing/exhibition of speed ticket. But im hoping Corsa comes out with a really nice setup for axle backs. And i have American Muscle springs on my car now and love them, especially for the price, so i might go with those again. Then i will probably just leave it at that for awhile. Maybe some appearance mods depending on what they come up with

 

[Colleton]

This is incorrect. As Taneras has been saying, it DOES replace the factory warranty.

It seems that I was wrong. I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case when I was looking into this back in 2009? At any rate, sorry for the incorrect info.

For those interested, the warranty info page is here: http://www.fordracingparts.com/Warranty/

 

[scottpe]

It seems that I was wrong. I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case when I was looking into this back in 2009? At any rate, sorry for the incorrect info.

It's all good my friend. I don't know when this warranty policy was originally implemented, but I do know it was already in place back in 2011 when I bought my GT.

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