400 pound weight loss??

[nametoshowothers]

I'd like to see a two piece brakes with aluminum hats. That would save some weight. Maybe some lightweight manual seats for the front (the optional Recaro seats may have already milked that). Maybe a lighter exhaust? I'd still like the rear seats to exist, but perhaps they could have a rear seat delete option like the 302 L/S. Maybe less sound deadening material. Slightly thinner glass could be a possibility. CF hood and trunk lid? Lightweight wheels (maybe they could get 18's around the brakes, and save some weight there, or at least go to some even lighter 19's). Maybe a simpler stereo system (just a couple good speakers, rather than 8 or more) still enough to have the tunes going, but nothing too crazy. CFRP driveshaft - basically plastic with carbon reinforcement. My 350Z has this, so definitely not cost prohibitive and able to handle over 150 MPH.

I really is pretty tough to make something lighter once the architecture has been fixed.

Would be nice if it could happen.

-T

Current shelby has carbon fibre drive shaft good for 200 mph, so should be possible. Thinner glass is a stupid idea, why make something that is fragile even more, i do agree with the other ideas as possible, but I would rather spend more money and get the stereo and nav and have more aluminum and more carbon fibre. I think there is possibilities in things like suspension components, k member( or whatever they are using), brakes, wheels, driveshafts, aluminum and carbon fibre body panels

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[Grimace427]

If Ford gave me a vote, I sure would vote against chasing the Z/28 or Hellcat cars. If the GT350 were to beat the Z/28 on the track because of reduced weight, GM would just come back with the Camaro on the lighter Alpha Chassis with more high cost pieces and the race would be on for the fastest highest cost car that few of us could afford. That is not the right race for pony cars.

I think the right races are for the best most affordable track/street car that can race in sanctioned races, and the best most affordable strip/street car. Everything above that should be specialized race cars that are not street-able.

I agree the focus should be on keeping a realistic price for the GT350, and a reason I don't really like the FPC idea for the engine. Keep the car with non-exotic parts that can still whoop the Z28 due to its weight advantage.

 

[Dirk McGurck]

I'd spring the extra money for a FPC and exotic materials. Depends on the package. I would never spend $75k on a Camaro, buts mostly because they don't really do much for me.

 

[Grimace427]

I'd spring the extra money for a FPC and exotic materials. Depends on the package. I would never spend $75k on a Camaro, buts mostly because they don't really do much for me.

How much would you spend on the GT350 if it came with an FPC and CC brakes? With whatever number you come up with, how much would you add for the GT500 with similar exotic parts?

 

[Stevefreestyle]

GT3
Are there any links to the claims about fudging the lap time? The in-car video seems like enough proof. Cages add weight and Nurburgring is a dangerous track so I don't blame them. I think the Z28 comes with ridiculously wide R-compound tires and a race suspension from the factory...

You answered your own question Re the fudging or "trimming" the Camaro Z28 Nuremberg lap time. Caught Red Handed !!

http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...-shelby-gt500-mustang-takes-nuerburgring.html

 

[Stevefreestyle]

How much would you spend on the GT350 if it came with an FPC and CC brakes? With whatever number you come up with, how much would you add for the GT500 with similar exotic parts?

They could just do it as an option, however they would probably gouge on price. In Australia it's cheaper to get aftermarket Brembos etc than tick the option box.

 

[RTD]

Assuming the GT350 is NA not FI and is intended as a track car, I really hope they price it more in line with the Boss Laguna Seca than the Z/28.

I'm sorry, but $75k is absolutely f*(king ridiculous for a pony car, any pony car, and I'm saying this as someone who owned 3 Camaros before my Mustang.

 

[Dirk McGurck]

How much would you spend on the GT350 if it came with an FPC and CC brakes? With whatever number you come up with, how much would you add for the GT500 with similar exotic parts?

I'd spend about tree-fiddy.

And I plan on spending money on the HiPo NA model, so the GT500 doesn't really concern me that much. If, in my eyes, the options and price line up, I will save and scrimp to make it happen.

 

[BenH]

Well Ford kept its promise with the F150's 700 pound weight loss goal.

You're up, Mustang. Not that I'm holding my breath or anything.

 

[xlover]

Well Ford kept its promise with the F150's 700 pound weight loss goal.

You're up, Mustang. Not that I'm holding my breath or anything.

Just saw that... If they got 700 from the f150 I think 200 from the stang could be very possible

 

[lil=john]

Well if the f-150 has aluminum body panels. I wonder if the Mustang will have Aluminum body panels..

 

[Grimace427]

Well if the f-150 has aluminum body panels. I wonder if the Mustang will have Aluminum body panels..

The only aluminum body panels mentioned were the front fenders. The hood has been aluminum for many years.

 

[Trackaholic]

How much would you spend on the GT350 if it came with an FPC and CC brakes? With whatever number you come up with, how much would you add for the GT500 with similar exotic parts?

Interesting question. I would prefer no FPC to keep prices down, but to give some data to your question:

Lets say the GT is ~$36,000 + $7,000 for a bunch of options (Performance pack, Recaro's, touch screen, nav). So you're talking $43,000 for a relatively loaded GT. This is about $1000 more than a 2014 GT Premium with Track Pack, Electronics Pack, Rear View Camera, and Recaro Seats (currently there is also $1000 incentive on the 2014, which makes it $2000 less expensive than my estimate for a similarly equipped 2015).

OK, so starting with $43,000 for that GT (which already has performance pack and Recaros), I'd probably be willing to pay another $10,000 at most for a plethora of tack focused performance upgrades.
Breakdown might be like:
Carbon Ceramic Brakes = $4000
Improved engine = $2000
Aero/Weight Reduction = $2000
Mechanical upgrades (hubs, bearings, drivetrain, cooling) = $2000

Looking at that list, I'm not sure I'd want to spend the money on the brakes. Would depend quite a bit on how good the GT is, and what exactly you get for the money. A $5000 premium for all the little stuff might be interest me more than a $10,000 with a couple big updates.

Then I'd also look at the Camaro 1LE, which really makes a difference in handling but is very reasonably priced.

I am definitely looking forward to what Ford brings to the table, and those spy pics with the carbon ceramic brakes are very drool worthy, even if I might not be ready to spend the money on them.

As far as the GT500 goes, another $10,000 would be OK.

So, something like:
$43,000 for well equipped GT
$53,000 for well equpped GT350 (hopefully with CC brakes at that price)
$63,000 for well equipped GT500 (current version is $66,000 with SVT Pack and Track pack, but I think the GT500 is overpriced, so I think my estimate is in line with what I would be willing to pay).

-T

 

[Grimace427]

With there being so many well performing steel brakes out there from Brembo and Stoptech, I'd gladly give up the CC option for $4-6,000 off the sticker. If the GT350 came in between $47,000-50,000 I'd be all over it.

The GT500 can get all of those exotic goodies and better put them to use taming the extra power we know it will have over the lesser Mustangs.

 

[Trackaholic]

With there being so many well performing steel brakes out there from Brembo and Stoptech, I'd gladly give up the CC option for $4-6,000 off the sticker. If the GT350 came in between $47,000-50,000 I'd be all over it.

The GT500 can get all of those exotic goodies and better put them to use taming the extra power we know it will have over the lesser Mustangs.

I have a stoptech front BBK on my Z, and it is great. I use performance friction PFC97 pads and they last for at least a thousand track miles, maybe even two. I would definitely consider a two piece iron setup in place of CC brakes if the price was right. I think the stoptech/brembo front BBKs are about $3500 aftermarket, so it would still be pricey to go that route as well.

-T

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