2018 Mustang refresh?

[1320']

In what looks like a newsletter from the union for the engine plant, they discuss a proposed 4.8L V8 for the F-150 that was not produced because "the fuel economy was reached on the 5.0 with DI".

They're not going to produce a run of DI 5.0's for the F150's and non-DI for the Mustang.

According to this, the 5.0 is going DI for 2018.

Something tells me this info wasn't supposed to get out.

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[1320']

And FYI, I can't remember where I found that..all I know is I found it.

 

[intoadaze]

What would be the HP increase if the 5.0 gets DI?

 

[1320']

What would be the HP increase if the 5.0 gets DI?

Generally it's good for about a 7% increase...so if that holds true..

460ish HP, 415 ish TQ.

 

[Khell86]

DI, coupled with the 10 speed means the mustang is back in it when it comes to performance. It'll probably still be undertired but as long as its still quite a bit cheaper than the camaro that won't matter.

 

[millhouse]

DI, coupled with the 10 speed means the mustang is back in it when it comes to performance. It'll probably still be undertired but as long as its still quite a bit cheaper than the camaro that won't matter.

Uhh....who says it will be cheaper when you add in the extra costs associated with the 10 speed tranny and DI? Both of those options carry a hefty price tag.

 

[Khell86]

Uhh....who says it will be cheaper when you add in the extra costs associated with the 10 speed tranny and DI? Both of those options carry a hefty price tag.

Fortunately the mustang shares those costs with the F-150. It'll see a small price bump but not much and will still undercut the camaro by a few thousand.

Still these prices are getting out of control lol.

 

[1320']

Uhh....who says it will be cheaper when you add in the extra costs associated with the 10 speed tranny and DI? Both of those options carry a hefty price tag.

Given the cost of DI and the 10 speed will be amortized across not only the Mustang but the F150 and F series as well..

My guess is maybe a total combined price hike of $800-$1,000.

 

[Cardude99]

Would direct port injection add more power over just direct injection

 

[millhouse]

Fortunately the mustang shares those costs with the F-150. It'll see a small price bump but not much and will still undercut the camaro by a few thousand.

Still these prices are getting out of control lol.

Given the cost of DI and the 10 speed will be amortized across not only the Mustang but the F150 and F series as well..

My guess is maybe a total combined price hike of $800-$1,000.

We're not talking about engineering and design costs here. Yes, r&d and design can be amortized, but the parts cost what the parts cost...sharing the platform does little for this. I think you all are underestimating what DI and all associated parts cost, as well as the 10 speed tranny. Also...keep in mind prices seem to raise $300-$500 per year just from inflation.

 

[1320']

We're not talking about engineering and design costs here. Yes, r&d and design can be amortized, but the parts cost what the parts cost...sharing the platform does little for this. I think you all are underestimating what DI and all associated parts cost, as well as the 10 speed tyranny. Also...keep in mind prices seem to raise $300-$500 per year just from inflation.

The DI systems that are purchased will be common to both the Mustang 5.0's and the F150 5.0's..when you purchase in bulk, the costs come down.

The way suppliers work is that if you're going buy say...45,000 DI a year for the 5.0, you'll pay way less than if you're only going to buy 15,000.

Adding DI and the A10 will raise the costs, but it's not going to be a massive jump that erases the cost delta between the Mustang and the Camaro.

 

[HappySquirrel]

Would direct port injection add more power over just direct injection

A complicated question. Adding port injectors in addition to the direct injection could probably increase max power output in cases where you need more fuel. Case in point: there are auxiliary fuel systems for the ecoboost mustangs that add port injection (I believe in the manifold, or a manifold spacer plate typically). The reason is because the ecoboost I4 doesn't have enough stock fueling capacity if you are trying to build a massively powerful drag racing rig, as some people have done (I believe the High Pressure Fuel Pump is the limiting factor in the system - aux port injection goes around that). I believe these aux port injectors are usually set up so that they only spray at or near max throttle, so when you're cruising you're just using the DI.

There are so many variables and it will of course be different in a factory produced engine. One big reason Ford may be going to the extra port injectors is to mitigate/eradicate the potential problem of intake valve coking which has plagued early DI engines, due to the fact that the injectors no longer clean the valves with gas. (I believe Lexus and others have added port injectors just for this reason).

Regardless of all that, here's an article on the next gen ecoboost V6, as well as the 10-speed transmission that has some interesting info:

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/the-2017-ford-f-150-will-debut-with-a-whopping-450-lb-f-1774503136

 

[millhouse]

The DI systems that are purchased will be common to both the Mustang 5.0's and the F150 5.0's..when you purchase in bulk, the costs come down.

The way suppliers work is that if you're going buy say...45,000 DI a year for the 5.0, you'll pay way less than if you're only going to buy 15,000.

Adding DI and the A10 will raise the costs, but it's not going to be a massive jump that erases the cost delta between the Mustang and the Camaro.

They are already purchased in bulk from the mustang. Prices can only come down so far. It saves Ford far more than it saves us, as the price per vehicle delta is small, but over all vehicles adds up.

I agree, the Camaro will still be more expensive...but the gap for the v8 variety will close with the new tech.

 

[HappySquirrel]

Also, regarding amortization: someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this new 10-speed transmission the one Ford co-developed with GM? If that's the case, then that defrays R&D costs even more.

 

[millhouse]

Also, regarding amortization: someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this new 10-speed transmission the one Ford co-developed with GM? If that's the case, then that defrays R&D costs even more.

R&D can be amortized. Purchased parts cannot...although they can be bulk discounted (not nearly the same savings). The new 10 speed most certainly will cost more than the old 6 speed, just from a parts standpoint.

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