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The compressor on my 2016 GT started making a bit of a noise last fall, just a subtle rattle/infrequent scraping sound but still blew cold air. I figured I didn't want to deal with it then when I knew I would not be driving it much over the winter.

So, it's no longer winter and the noise is still there and still only when AC is on. A month or so ago I replaced the compressor clutch with a new Motorcraft kit from RockAuto. Everything went okay with the change and the sound was gone for about 3 weeks. Then it came back worse than before. It does not always make the grinding noise when I engage AC and it still blows cold. But I notice the clutch now sometimes disengages after 5 or 10 seconds.

Not wanting to just throw more parts at it without knowing the exact target, this morning I took it in to a shop that specializes in AC repairs. They said the line pressures are fine and there are no leaks. But they did say the compressor is shot, that they put a magnet down by it and it was getting a lot of metal shavings thrown on it. That I can see.

But here's where my lack of AC system knowledge really comes into it. They gave me the quote to replace the compressor and recharge the system and it's about what I expected ($1,300). But I was surprised to see that replacing the drier and condenser were not on the parts list since I thought when a compressor went bad, that the shavings would contaminate the lines, drier, condenser and valve and the condenser/drier need to be replaced since they can't reliably be flushed. I asked them about this and they said this was not necessary in this case because all the shavings are on the outside of the compressor, not internal.

Other than the clutch itself, what else on a compressor can fail like this and throw a bunch of metal particles on the outside of the compressor? I am not doubting them, I just don't know what is happening. Maybe the compressor shaft itself is failing, causing the clutch to not spin in the expected manner. Or maybe the mice/chipmunks that have infested my garage have been at work.

I'm leaning toward having a go at this myself and getting a Motorcraft compressor, condenser, valve and lines for about $500 less than the quote I got today, flushing the evaporator really well when everything is apart, reassembling with all the new parts, then getting it vacuumed/charged. In a 9 year old vehicle where the AC was heavily used for the first 7 years of its life in southern Florida, I am fine with ponying up for the new hoses just in case.
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I am interested on how you will take care of this.

I have been having the same problem for years, where the compressor engages and disengages every 10 seconds.

I flushed, recharged confirmed pressure but still the same
 
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I can't decide if I should just replace the compressor and leave everything else as-is since apparently the metal bits ares external only, or bite the bullet and also replace the condenser, drier, 9 year old AC hoses and valve at the same time.

If I do the former, I will probably just have the AC shop do all the work due to the flushing involved and then hope nothing else in the AC system fails due to age.

If I do the latter, I just may do it myself since the only part I need to flush is the evaporator, then take it to the AC shop for the vacuum and recharge. Even with using all Motorcraft parts, it still works out hundreds of dollars less than having the AC shop just replace the compressor. That is, assuming I don't bleep something up during the install and trash the new compressor. I do like to do as much of the work on these things as I can.

Hmmmm...
 
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Watch some youtubes to help you decide.
Agreed, I do a lot of that. I think I just need to convince myself I can do an adequate job flushing the evaporator since the other stuff will all be new.

I just ordered all the parts to do the full replacement. Should be a fun project.

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Just happened to my 17 GT/SC today after I brought it out of hibration.
Gonna take it to the dealer and see what's going on. Not looking forward to it.
Only has 18k miles.
 
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Agreed, I do a lot of that. I think I just need to convince myself I can do an adequate job flushing the evaporator since the other stuff will all be new.

I just ordered all the parts to do the full replacement. Should be a fun project.

No guts, no glory.
I ended up replacing the compressor, condenser/drier, expansion valve and all four AC lines with OEM parts. Flushing the evaporator was no big deal using my air compressor and the spray can of flush I picked up at Napa.

The hardest step, for me at least, was installing the new line that goes from the condenser to the expansion valve. I swore in at least three different languages getting this back in place. It would have been immeasurably easier if the pictures I took of the engine bay before I started captured the path this lower line takes before I removed it.

The second toughest part was getting the compressor back in place when two of the bolts have to be in the compressor holes before putting it up in place. At least that's what got me. A bit of the handyman's secret weapon (duct tape) to hold the bolts in the holes while I jostled the compressor did the trick. I'm certain not trashing my shoulders playing hockey for the first half of my life may have helped too. Or less gravity.

Regardless, everything was finally back in place and successfully pressure tested and recharged by the same shop that removed the R134 before I started.

And true to form with the rest of my experiences with this GT, during this project I discovered that the passenger side motor mount was loose and the battery heat shield was only being held in place by two instead of the original eight bolts. Both of these issues have been corrected. Now I'm worried about the driver side motor mount and may dig into that soon to verify.

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Yikes. I don't know if this is something I want to be doing or paying dealer to do it.
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