2016 Camaro

[Bryman]

I think it's going to look like Bumblebee in the latest Transformer movie. Which looks very similar to Chaz' renderings:

But I still like the S550 a lot better

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[Jason Richardson]

Car looks good. Not the picture above, thats not it, but the renders. Love Chevys V8, so the size and interior were the only two things stopping me from cross shopping. Both seem to be fixed. I like it a lot.

 

[Backorder]

I know there was a lot of camaro guys and people in general saying "2015 mustang looks like a fusion" etc, etc, etc...and honestly I hate to be like those people but this was my first thought of the camaro from the front view...

I'd rather have someone tell me the car looks like a fusion than a corolla...

Also, side hasn't changed and the rear end took a step back...if this is the new camaro I'm not impressed, then again the interior of the last one threw me off so much I almost didn't want to even test drive!

Ok enough hate...I am a car enthusiast and I'm sure plenty of people will love it...just not me. I hope they fix the interior and if they don't have any weight gain as rumored, power to them.


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[dude]

That Camaro render looks like crap! Looks dated already.

:barf:

 

[JWS]

Well, from the front quarter, the rear reminds me of the Challenger.
From the side, looking down, it sort of resembles the new Mustang.
From the side, straight-on, the rear quarter glass and greenhouse reminded me of the Mustang II. Not saying all bad, but there's other cars in there.

 

[thePill]

There is a huge 5th Gen give-away right now, 20% off on most models including the '15 s28 and ZL1. There is a 2015 z28 on C5 for $53,000... Looks like 5th Gens will not hold their value, in 6 months they have plummeted in both sales and now MSRP. This is a panic, that's all there is too it.

I feel this 6th Gen isn't enough... Even with the huge incentives, no one is biting... This spells doom is many different ways. It could force a quick refresh on the 6th Gen rather quickly.

The Mustang is selling very well though... The Camaro guys thought it was a big deal when the 2010 Mustangs had $2000 dollars on the hood, these guys went straight to 20%. That is $17,000-$24,000 off the MSRP of the z28's...

DIDNT CHEVY CLAIM TO HAVE SOLD ALL 500 2014's? and I just seen about a dozen 2014's being slashed to $60,000 on C5. Hype and bullshit... What a bunch of crooks...

But they claim it won't be heavier than the last... They also went public boasting the quick sales of ALL 2014 z28's within... what was it... the first day right? How come there are some still on dealers lots?

Is it too much to ask for to be honest?

 

[Free Agent]

There is a huge 5th Gen give-away right now, 20% off on most models including the '15 s28 and ZL1. There is a 2015 z28 on C5 for $53,000... Looks like 5th Gens will not hold their value, in 6 months they have plummeted in both sales and now MSRP. This is a panic, that's all there is too it.

I feel this 6th Gen isn't enough... Even with the huge incentives, no one is biting... This spells doom is many different ways. It could force a quick refresh on the 6th Gen rather quickly.

The Mustang is selling very well though... The Camaro guys thought it was a big deal when the 2010 Mustangs had $2000 dollars on the hood, these guys went straight to 20%. That is $17,000-$24,000 off the MSRP of the z28's...

DIDNT CHEVY CLAIM TO HAVE SOLD ALL 500 2014's? and I just seen about a dozen 2014's being slashed to $60,000 on C5. Hype and bullshit... What a bunch of crooks...

But they claim it won't be heavier than the last... They also went public boasting the quick sales of ALL 2014 z28's within... what was it... the first day right? How come there are some still on dealers lots?

Is it too much to ask for to be honest?

Although I'm with you on GM being in panic sale mode and the 6th gen Camaro being rather bland, when I checked on the Chevrolet website, you cannot get the 20% off on the ZL1 or Z28, they are exempt from the deal.

If it looks anything like these renders. (And I think it will) This version is going to flop on looks. Problem is it could be one helluva performer with a 460 HP LT1 engine and less than 3800 pounds out of the box. Guess we will have to see. I'm happy with my choice.

 

[Waylap1]

Hell, there could be a Pontiac Aztec under that tarp and I couldn't tell. This isn't even news unless there's a photo of the actual car without camo.

 

[thaext]

I'd say that looking at everything objectively, it is most likely that the 16 Camaro is probably going to be wayyyy better than the 15 Stang. I can almost guarantee that Mag Ride is going to be an option, the LT1 engine from the Stingray might be put in the SS model, is most going to be lighter (by how much is the million dollar question). Not to mention the 8 speed automatic.

I don't even like Camaro's because of the horrid rear visibility and the bland interior. These are the most likelihood of outcomes when it's revealed next year.

 

[Brent302]

I'd say that looking at everything objectively, it is most likely that the 16 Camaro is probably going to be wayyyy better than the 15 Stang. I can almost guarantee that Mag Ride is going to be an option, the LT1 engine from the Stingray might be put in the SS model, is most going to be lighter (by how much is the million dollar question). Not to mention the 8 speed automatic.

I don't even like Camaro's because of the horrid rear visibility and the bland interior. These are the most likelihood of outcomes when it's revealed next year.

If the Corvette/Impala/Tahoe are anything I can see the 2016 Camaro interior no longer being an excuse....

 

[thePill]

Although I'm with you on GM being in panic sale mode and the 6th gen Camaro being rather bland, when I checked on the Chevrolet website, you cannot get the 20% off on the ZL1 or Z28, they are exempt from the deal.

If it looks anything like these renders. (And I think it will) This version is going to flop on looks. Problem is it could be one helluva performer with a 460 HP LT1 engine and less than 3800 pounds out of the box. Guess we will have to see. I'm happy with my choice.

According to Camaro5, the announcement came from Social Media. You can see the sales on C5 and there are plenty. You can file the (Chevy not advertising it on their webpage) under poor management and execution.

It is a shame :(

What a fiasco and the ultimate faithful were impacted the most I feel. Initially paying around $80,000, now, just a few days later, $20,000-$25,000 off a limited production vehicle.

...and what gives??? Why are there still 2014's being sold? They made a public statement saying they were SOLD OUT!!! The value of a z28 has just plummeted. In my opinion, $53,000 is a good price for the z28.

The "new" body style isn't new enough. Regardless how it performs, people either won't get it or, they continue to find the design challenged as I do. It's lazy, just like their version of the Raptor, it's just slobbishly lazy with no creativity what so ever.

 

[Backorder]

Soooooooo lets start some weight speculation like we did before the release of the mustang!

With the head of GM quoting "it will not gain weight"...what do we think it'll weigh? I don't think it'll get down to stang weight, but it's hard to tell...been a guest spy on camaro6 and seems that some of their thoughts are logical but I haven't done any personal research to backup any claims so I don't know. What do you guys think?

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[thePill]

Soooooooo lets start some weight speculation like we did before the release of the mustang!

With the head of GM quoting "it will not gain weight"...what do we think it'll weigh? I don't think it'll get down to stang weight, but it's hard to tell...been a guest spy on camaro6 and seems that some of their thoughts are logical but I haven't done any personal research to backup any claims so I don't know. What do you guys think?

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They are comparing weight losses from a Sigma to an Alpha and a Zeta to an Alpha. A Sigma was a very heavy Zeta in some relation. While the Zeta is viewed as a heavy pig, the Sigma was even heavier still. I believe a lot of Wagon support reinforcement was present on the Sigma and is not on the Alpha. Both Ford and Chevy have easily incr asked the size of their 4 door only sedans with very little weight gain (Fusion now 112 inch wheelbas, about 70lbs heavier. What hurts a 4 doors weight is compensating a 2 door coupe structure. This is why new 2 door coupes are slightly heavier than the 4 door version.

Now, where an Alpha can save 50-70lbs from a Sigma, the losses won't be as significant starting from a much smaller and lighter Zeta to an Alpha of another size. Even if there is a copy and paste 50lbs saved from 5th to 6th, look at the ATSV's curb weight already with no room for an FI V8 yet or convertible support. The car is already just as heavy as the GT PP. Adding a V8, V8 power train components, heavier front and rear suspension, larger brakes, tires, more interior garbage (airbags, 6-9 speaker Boston sound, Infocenter). Its a much different situation.

Now, I must admit, I feel most of the 50-70lbs (and then some) was support not present in the Alpha long. This support being the built in support for a wagon body style. You can see the CTSs weight increase in 2009, when the wagon was built in.

What I think Chevy will do is, just as they did before... Initially, they will not offer a convertible OR FI V8 model. In 2010, they did this very thing. They completely and totally left out the support for the Vert and ZL1. It made the 5th Gen as light as it possibly could be... A year later they added the support in and, nobody ever reported the new curb weight. Now today, a bare bones SS manual weighs 3935lbs, far from the 3820-3850 observed by 2010 owners.

Ford has done this too but, new numbers were reported in 2007, Chevy just now updated the Camaro's curb weight after using the z28's "100lbs lighter" tag line... Whoops... Now we need to tell everyone the truth because people are predicting a 3720lbs 2014 z28.

Limiting the available body styles on a model saves weight and money. Don't confuse a manufactures limitation of customer options as weight loss. As of right now, there was word of a weight gain n every major component area on the 6th Gen. Comparing the C6 equipment with the C7's will support this rumor as it too had weight gain in every major area.

The issue with 2 door coupes is side impact and, they now require more support than a A/B/C/D pillared sedan. Chevy has been increasing the size of their cars for interior space reasons, we may find out the 6th Gen Camaro isn't on a 109 inch WB. That they stayed with a 112 inch WB. I don't think a Camaro interior should get any smaller so, a 109 inch wheel base will suck with the current IRS setup.

Anyway, I feel that they will eliminate the Convertible and LT4 Camaro's at first to eliminate the weight of structural support for those models. This of course is only temporary as weight will be added back into the platform once R&D is done. It's not a dirty trick, it's being used on the CTS right not. It currently cannot support a 2 door coupe nor a wagon. Once that is added, it will probably be a little more than the old CTS. Again, the ATS started as a 4 door sedan, it was advertised to be "the lightest" in its segment. A few months later, support for the coupe is added... weight went up but was never advertised.

Ford has the Convertible and future FI car built into the coupe. This reduced cost drastically but, increased weight. The S550 had a World Class Platform that supports a Convertble and most likely HALO/Hi-Po applications. Time will tell if weight is more important than standard features and model options. Ford accepted the 25-80lbs weight gain on the official curb weight. The Mustang was lighter to begin with so, it could be accepted. The Camaro cannot afford a weight gain at all... Not a single pound...

The thing is, everybody else is seeing small gains in the sedan area. Gains are possible because of the 3400-3500lbs the Fusion weighed prior. It was light to begin with and it was bound to increase. For the last decade, GM has offered some of the heaviest cars ever made. It is only logical that weight is lost as the car evolves because it was so massive to begin with. 700lbs lost in an F150 might only be a 190lbs gain in a Sport Car. For one, the car started at 3100lbs (say a Corvette) the other was 6500lbs. Both used extensive use of Aluminum... The Vette more so... The lighter get heavier with advancement because performance is priority. The heavies get lighter because... performance is priorty. Will it be 3700-3800lbs? Probably not... 3900lbs? That would be very lucky...

Technically, the 6th Gen could weigh 3934lbs and still be officially lighter. Of course, I just expect them to out right lie and then disappear once the 6th Gen reports a gain... As usual...

Judging from the spy shots, and what I know, I don't even think a 6th Gen is at the official curb weight point yet. So, I doubt anyone at GM really knows except saying "there is a weight gain in every major component area".

 

[Free Agent]

It's lazy, just like their version of the Raptor, it's just slobbishly lazy with no creativity what so ever.

Agreed there. It looks blah in my opinion.

 

[thePill]

The 6th Gen is a No Show in Detroit. 5th Gen sales have tanked, even with the 20% off they may not sell many this December. I'm under the impression GM counted deliveries to the dealership as a sale... Because they said they sold all the 2014 z28s yet, here they are...

What I heard is, where the car is now in development, we may not see it at all in 2015. I'm not sure if weight looks like it might still be an issue or its issues with the LT1 (heard both). Either way, unless is a huge misdirection, we won't see it in January.

Reconfirmed: There is still significant weight gain in every major component area.

Trying for a late 2015 showing? Would that make it available in September 2016? As a 2017 Camaro?
Shown in November '15 - Jan '16
Available in Sept 2016 as a 2017....

2017 the first GT500s should be lurking at that time to distract buyers with 700+hp

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