2015 V6 and Base Ecoboost: Wheel size comparison (plus interior)

[PJE]

As my Mustang choice is likely to be a V6 or non-premium Ecoboost I've been looking on the forum for information relating to these models. Especially how the V6 looks with the 17" and 18" wheels.

I've pulled together some pictures off the forum (thanks JarStang - post) to make my decision easier, and thought other forum members would be interested. The blue and red cars seem to be V6 models (due to their rear badges) with 18" wheels, while the white car looks to be is a base Ecoboost with the standard 17" rims.

I scaled the two available wheels for the V6 model to the correct ratio given the outer tire diameter (27.2"/27.3"). In my opinion the 17" wheel is not large enough for the size of the car (as seen on the White EB), and therefore I'm focusing on the 18" wheel size.

I've also pulled together pictures of the interior, although it looks to be taken from a base Ecoboost due to the additional center gauges. Most pictures on the forum are for the premium touchscreen equipped models.

Originally I was looking at a White/Silver car, but the body panel fit seem a little too visible on the white prototype, so I may go silver or a darker color.

Hope this post helps people make a more informed choice.

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[doulos4jc]

I don't know if its the white paint or the 17" wheels, but that looks like the typical fleet/rental car that will be sold in the millions. I would pass on both of those options.

 

[Dirdle65]

Although I like the design of the 17" silver wheels, I'm on the fence with the 18" Foundry wheels. I want fog lights for sure so either I have to go with the V6 with 51A Pkg or install them aftermarket. I only want the V6 though - I like that engine.

I'll have to wait and see what they look like in real life - maybe rent one so I know what I'm getting into before purchasing.

I'm excited but am waiting until midyear 2015 to buy after the hype has died down a bit.

Thanks for posting the pics!

 

[TampaBear67]

Both of those interior pictures are of the Base Model Race Red GT with the Performance Package and Cloth Recaros that Debuted in LA. Which is why it has the Base Center Stack and Door Panel Inserts but has the Center Gages and Engine Turned Aluminum because of the Performance Package. You will also get the Fully Painted Monochrome Rear Bumper/Diffuser if You get a Base Model V-6 or Eco-Boost as the Black and Painted Diffuser is part of the Premium Package. Aa for the wheels, Personally I Don't care for Either of those Wheels, but given those choices I would have to say the 18's look Much Better. I Do Not Like the 17's at all. They are Definitely Too Small for this car.

 

[PJE]

Both of those interior pictures are of the Base Model Race Red GT with the Performance Package and Cloth Recaros that Debuted in LA. Which is why it has the Base Center Stack and Door Panel Inserts but has the Center Gages and Engine Turned Aluminum because of the Performance Package. You will also get the Fully Painted Monochrome Rear Bumper/Diffuser if You get a Base Model V-6 or Eco-Boost as the Black and Painted Diffuser is part of the Premium Package. Aa for the wheels, Personally I Don't care for Either of those Wheels, but given those choices I would have to say the 18's look Much Better. I Do Not Like the 17's at all. They are Definitely Too Small for this car.

Thanks for the clarification. I was only looking at the center stack, which should be common. I'm holding off ordering until I see a picture of the V6 and EB base interior and exterior. Has the been any photos of the V6 dash on the forum?

As my car would be a daily driver year round in Michigan I'm more interested in winter traction than maximum torque. I would expect the more gradual torque build on the V6 would make it easier to drive in the winter. Does anyone have any input as to his the LSD would affect the winter traction - the last RWD car with an LSD that I owned was a Miata which was fine with just snow tires (and had significantly less power).

My current leaning is for a pretty fully loaded 51A V6.

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[Dirdle65]

Wow. If the V6 comes does with the tri-bar (red/while/blue) pony on the back that would be awesome. Although I like the plain Pony too I'd really like the tri-bar one. Can't wait until Ford posts more info as it's kind of a guessing game at this point. Although TampaBear67 has clarified a lot here and in other posts..good detective work!

 

[TampaBear67]

Thanks Darrell. I'm kind of Obsessed with the 2015. LOL

 

[w3rkn]

Thanks for the clarification. I was only looking at the center stack, which should be common. I'm holding off ordering until I see a picture of the V6 and EB base interior and exterior. Has the been any photos of the V6 dash on the forum?

As my car would be a daily driver year round in Michigan I'm more interested in winter traction than maximum torque. I would expect the more gradual torque build on the V6 would make it easier to drive in the winter. Does anyone have any input as to his the LSD would affect the winter traction - the last RWD car with an LSD that I owned was a Miata which was fine with just snow tires (and had significantly less power).

My current leaning is for a pretty fully loaded 51A V6.

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If you are worried about snow, then whatever engine doesn't matter, because the Nannies kick in, anyways.


The EcoBoost will give greater gas mileage and is a better engine.

 

[DivineStrike]

Both of those interior pictures are of the Base Model Race Red GT with the Performance Package and Cloth Recaros that Debuted in LA. Which is why it has the Base Center Stack and Door Panel Inserts but has the Center Gages and Engine Turned Aluminum because of the Performance Package. You will also get the Fully Painted Monochrome Rear Bumper/Diffuser if You get a Base Model V-6 or Eco-Boost as the Black and Painted Diffuser is part of the Premium Package. Aa for the wheels, Personally I Don't care for Either of those Wheels, but given those choices I would have to say the 18's look Much Better. I Do Not Like the 17's at all. They are Definitely Too Small for this car.

The in bold portion is uncertain as to what package it is in. It could very well be the PP or that could be a frankenstein car. Or it could be part of the premier package, or it may actually even be the base dash. Lets not give absolutes when it is clearly unknown. Even when a member here tweeted Ford Service, he got two different answers. One person said the Ecoboost PP comes with the Aluminum Dash Panel. Then the same person said Aluminum Accent Dash is standard and then went on to say the Alumimnum Dash is standard and is what was in the picture. The next guy said Aluminum Dash is standard and to check with your dealer for the "circular pattern" dash ie the Turned Aluminum Dash. So please lets not say absolutes until it is such. I certainly don't have all the answers but I can't stand misinformation.

Sorry about making this about the dash but here is the appropriate link for the Premier trim package thread. Which has most of the discussion about the engine turned dash. http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/package-68bi-premier-1849.html

OT I personally wouldn't get a base entry level mustang, ecoboost or v6. But if I were to choose, I'd pick the ecoboost for mpg's. Kinda moot point as I'd get the new GTI over the ecoboost. Anyhow, the guages have been confirmed by ford to only come with the PP. And out of the color choices you mentioned...pick Silver As IMO it is one of the 3 best colors.

 

[S550Boss]

I've driven the current Mustang with V-6 on the racetrack at high speed and it's a competent engine (although the speed limiter kicking in exactly at 115 is a downer because it clearly has more in it). We have 2 of these for our students.
That said, I'd still suggest the EcoBoost 4 over the V-6 because it will have more torque and HP - and will maintain the torque over a far broader spread. I think it will be a much superior driving machine, and lots more fun.
Even in base trim, without the PP (which you really should stretch for), it'll be a great car. And it has a limited slip diff standard. You can always change gears, add bigger brakes later (note that if you do the front, you also have to do the back), and do suspension mods even later. But you've got a much better base than the V-6 to work with.

 

[PJE]

I just drove a 2014 V6 Convertible, and was surprised by how much I had to do to get it to accelerate. It really does need to kick down to exploit it's power.

Makes me wish I could go manual (WAF) to control the engine revs better. Possibly with the flappy paddles I can simulate it...

The lack of low down torque does make it smoother around town, at the expense of a little life in the drive train.

I'm more more confused than ever...

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[S550Boss]

The V-6 engine won't cut it anymore. The EcoBoost 2.3 will make more torque than the V-6, and across almost the entire power band. It will be a rocket compared to the V-6.

Now consider it's HP and torque compared to a '96 SVT Cobra with a 4.6 DOHC. Way too close. Yikes.

 

[MUSThavaSTANG]

The V-6 engine won't cut it anymore. The EcoBoost 2.3 will make more torque than the V-6, and across almost the entire power band. It will be a rocket compared to the V-6.
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You don't know that. You're completely speculating.

 

[S550Boss]

It's already been announced to make more torque - at least 20 more. And if you look at the torque curve of any EcoBoost, including the same basic 2.3EB engine in the MKC, you'll see a very quick and high peak right off idle, and then a continuation up to the higher rev range. It's a high, broad, and flat torque curve. That's how EB works and is central to the EcoBoost design philosophy.
We also know what the torque curve is of the existing S196 V-6, and we know what Ford has announced as the target for the S550 V-6. It peaks nicely, although less than the 2.3EB, but it is peaky.
And as I said above, I've driven the V-6 S197 on track, right up to it's peak at 115 (and very smooth cut-off). It's a nice V-6, merely adaquate, not the best on the market, but it doesn't have much to offer in torque off-idle.

 

[PJE]

Thanks for the input.

I think I'll have to contact my friend who is a development engineer on the Ecoboost range (Turbo Specialist). I try not to bug him to much but I need to make a final decision!

I'm not looking for a rocket ship, merely a nice daily driver. The EB is only $800 more in the specification I'm looking to order.

It's already been announced to make more torque - at least 20 more. And if you look at the torque curve of any EcoBoost, including the same basic 2.3EB engine in the MKC, you'll see a very quick and high peak right off idle, and then a continuation up to the higher rev range. It's a high, broad, and flat torque curve. That's how EB works and is central to the EcoBoost design philosophy.
We also know what the torque curve is of the existing S196 V-6, and we know what Ford has announced as the target for the S550 V-6. It peaks nicely, although less than the 2.3EB, but it is peaky.
And as I said above, I've driven the V-6 S197 on track, right up to it's peak at 115 (and very smooth cut-off). It's a nice V-6, merely adaquate, not the best on the market, but it doesn't have much to offer in torque off-idle.

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