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Again, assumptions.

FP said they were working on a solution and the timeframe/rollout etc has been extremely poorly handled at best. They owe the customers that they promised a solution for better than this at the very least.
They came out with a solution, they are telling people they will sell them the OEM trans and cooler from the track pack. That's it. Who did they promise a solution to? It was months before the even acknowledged a problem. I don't think they promised anybody anything.
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They came out with a solution, they are telling people they will sell them the OEM trans and cooler from the track pack. That's it. Who did they promise a solution to? It was months before the even acknowledged a problem. I don't think they promised anybody anything.
Numerous people that have called, e-mailed and talked to them in person and were told/promised solutions were coming months ago.

Yes, now there are solutions. One incomplete semi expensive one for what you get and one that is absolutely price gouging their customers. Insult to injury and another kick in the nether region for a lot of people.

If you (and others) wish to ignore legitimate complaints that people have brought up about this whole issue then that is your right as well. But, I don't get why you guys need to constantly come in here and kick people while they are down. It makes no sense and makes you guys look like......
 

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Numerous people that have called, e-mailed and talked to them in person and were told/promised solutions were coming months ago.

Yes, now there are solutions. One incomplete semi expensive one for what you get and one that is absolutely price gouging their customers. Insult to injury and another kick in the nether region for a lot of people.

If you (and others) wish to ignore legitimate complaints that people have brought up about this whole issue then that is your right as well. But, I don't get why you guys need to constantly come in here and kick people while they are down. It makes no sense and makes you guys look like......
You're right, it is a legitimate complaint, and Ford should have done something about it. Especially for people like me, who ordered their car before some dealerships even knew what it was, and before any info on the topic or condition came out.

Why I come in here? Well a few reasons.... I have a '16 Tech that I take to the track, and I have experienced limp mode. I started coming in here in the beginning to tell people about my situation and to offer my opinion that ford should offer a solution. When a track day came up 3 months later and there still was none, I decided the best thing for my, my instructor, and the other car's safety was to take care of the problem. Using support and collective knowledge from people here on this forum, both members and sponsors. I believe I was the 3rd to do the task (I'm sure some others have), so I came up with a Frankenstein of other people's methods, and made my own parts list (which I have now shared down to the nuts, bolts, and loctite).

It worked.

That's why I continue to come here... to share my ongoing knowledge of the issue and to track what ford is doing about it. I did intend on this being temporary if ford came up with something good. I plan on continuing to come here to help those who intend on pioneering into this task to offer whatever support I can, as well as offer my hand in motivating those who have experienced limp mode on the street and to go to their dealers and document the problem, because limp mode ON THE STREET is the only way that ford will fix the issue.

Hope that helps clear some Things up.

Sorry about grammar or run on sentences. I typed this on my phone, standing on a roof, with cold hands.
 

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You're right, it is a legitimate complaint, and Ford should have done something about it. Especially for people like me, who ordered their car before some dealerships even knew what it was, and before any info on the topic or condition came out.

Why I come in here? Well a few reasons.... I have a '16 Tech that I take to the track, and I have experienced limp mode. I started coming in here in the beginning to tell people about my situation and to offer my opinion that ford should offer a solution. When a track day came up 3 months later and there still was none, I decided the best thing for my, my instructor, and the other car's safety was to take care of the problem. Using support and collective knowledge from people here on this forum, both members and sponsors. I believe I was the 3rd to do the task (I'm sure some others have), so I came up with a Frankenstein of other people's methods, and made my own parts list (which I have now shared down to the nuts, bolts, and loctite).

It worked.

That's why I continue to come here... to share my ongoing knowledge of the issue and to track what ford is doing about it. I did intend on this being temporary if ford came up with something good. I plan on continuing to come here to help those who intend on pioneering into this task to offer whatever support I can, as well as offer my hand in motivating those who have experienced limp mode on the street and to go to their dealers and document the problem, because limp mode ON THE STREET is the only way that ford will fix the issue.

Hope that helps clear some Things up.

Sorry about grammar or run on sentences. I typed this on my phone, standing on a roof, with cold hands.
This makes perfect sense.

But, others that are demeaning people that don't have the time, knowledge, tools, space or ambition to do their own fix does not.

Nor does demeaning people that are worried about warranty claims on a 60k car, by a company that has shaky at best customer service from the dealer to corporate level.

No prob on the grammar, I'm not the internet grammar police like others. ;)
 

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sorry you don't get it, the rationale has been covered and articulated both very well, and very poorly across many, many threads. If one cannot understand the variance of expectations across a 36k car, and a premium trim branded in the name or a racing legend as a track oriented vehicle and extrapolate the concern over the inability to complete an novice event, I don't know what to say. Track Pack or R was available for track use. Please see Picture of "Track Specialist"

This is compounded by the stealth removal of trans temps from the digital cluster, reported overheating issues on the street this summer, and the curious choice to have two separate transmissions, rendering the cooler upgrade path both cumbersome and poorly articulated to date.
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The Track Pack Gauge Cluster is different due to the added sensor for the rear axle. My factory service information all shows it was always only on the track package, not sure what was "Stealthy" My documentation was last updated in August of 2015.

The reason for two different transmssions is because the pump is mechanically driven and needs to have an outlet path. Without a place for the oil to flow the pump would dead head. The Track Pack option was $6500, it is now included with the cars so Ford listened to customers on what they wanted. By all estimates to install the factory solution (including the transmission-$5000 including $1000 to install) would be less than the Track Pack option. That would leave you with just a rear axle cooler to do which does not cause limp mode so not needed. This was brought up on this forum in Jan. 2015. People who wanted a Tech Pack with coolers.

As far has normal street driving limp mode, no documented wide spread issues. Maybe a handful out of how many sold? I know of a few that did not go into limp mode during a track day. Again in these isolated cases it may just be an tolerance error on the sensor circuit. Possibly a reflash of the car would correct these. No one has presented much of any documentation as to what conditions it occurred under other than hear-say. What was the followup with Ford, what were the codes stored in the ecm?

Sorry, but this seems to be an issue more with unrealistic expectations than an actual Failure on Fords part. We had issues with our car as delivered and Ford Service and the dealer handled it. I also went through the proper channels and was extremely satisfied with the outcome.
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Without getting into a flame war I'll just say this........you guys a making a ton of assumptions about a lot of people and your opinions are your right. But, maybe you should keep them to yourselves and not kick some people while they are down. Especially a sponsor on this board.

As for Ford and doing what is right by with regards to warranty......I'll also just say this, I have what should be an easy warranty claim and it has taken nearly two months to get them to move on fixing or even looking at the problem. So my faith and trust in FoMoCo is at an all time low.

So, you need a dealer that cares and is competent enough to look at the problem carefully/objectively and then get Ford to warranty the issue if one comes up for the cooler add on. Sometimes easy said than done.

The way FP and Ford in general has handled this for paying customers is a complete shitshow and a disservice to those customers. Period.
A question was asked about how a warranty works, we answered it. No assumptions here, just how it works :shrug: I do not understand why as Sponsor on this forum I am not allowed to answer a question. I did not express any opinion, I answered the question asked.

There are thousands of Ford Dealers to choose from, you also have Ford Service on this forum to reach out to for help.

What was your warranty claim? What are the details?

FP has worked out a solution, even offered two options for Customers. All of this can be installed by your local Ford Dealer.The work the Ford dealer does is warrantied, by them so if they do a bad job and your transmission fails they have to cover that. I do not understand how this was poorly handled. Would it have been handled better if it was free? I am curious what the actual issue with their solution is? Would a better solution be to have Ford take back your car, install all the 2017 equipment for the cost of the option you freely did not purchase? These vehicles are not defective as a whole, I am trying to understand what Ford is expected to do for Customers who bought one model while attempting to use it for something else.
 

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A question was asked about how a warranty works, we answered it. No assumptions here, just how it works :shrug: I do not understand why as Sponsor on this forum I am not allowed to answer a question. I did not express any opinion, I answered the question asked.

There are thousands of Ford Dealers to choose from, you also have Ford Service on this forum to reach out to for help.

What was your warranty claim? What are the details?

FP has worked out a solution, even offered two options for Customers. All of this can be installed by your local Ford Dealer.The work the Ford dealer does is warrantied, by them so if they do a bad job and your transmission fails they have to cover that. I do not understand how this was poorly handled. Would it have been handled better if it was free? I am curious what the actual issue with their solution is? Would a better solution be to have Ford take back your car, install all the 2017 equipment for the cost of the option you freely did not purchase? These vehicles are not defective as a whole, I am trying to understand what Ford is expected to do for Customers who bought one model while attempting to use it for something else.
We've gone over this a million times in this thread, does it really need to be rehashed again? I (and most) don't want anything for free and obviously do not expect Ford to buy back the cars. But, I also don't think Ford should price them at where they stand to make another a 2-3 grand off of the full transmission swap. They should also specifically tell people that if you get both options installed at an authorized dealer they are 100% warrantied. Is it really that hard to do a bit of customer service for customers, a lot of them extremely loyal customers. There is a happy medium somewhere.

I have my own thread about my ongoing engine issues and getting Ford/FP to give me a straight answer as to what is going on and when it will be fixed.

You can do whatever you want, but I'm just surprised at how far you went with it. But, as a consumer that buys a lot of aftermarket parts, I guess I would shy away from a vendor that talks down to potential customers like I think you have multiple times in this thread. I get enough of that shit and headache from Ford Customer Service.
 

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I think the point of it was to say why does Ford need to give transmissions and coolers away at cost? The people who hit limp mode in traffic, or cruising down the highway, or under any normal driving conditions absolutely, yes, need their cars figured out and fixed. People going to the track or treating the back roads like the track are hitting limp mode because of aggressive driving outside of normal conditions, and if they knew that's what they wanted to do with it then they should have sought out a track pack. You really can't argue with that.

Your car carries a warranty, and that is the amount of time Ford guarantees your car to be trouble free. You can buy an extended warranty for extra peace of mind, or sell the car after the warranty expires if you think your trans is going to blow up because it runs at 180-250*.

Sorry to hear that you are th guy with the burning oil issue. I can understand that you're a little more fed up than most.

We've gone over this a million times in this thread, does it really need to be rehashed again? I (and most) don't want anything for free and obviously do not expect Ford to buy back the cars. But, I also don't think Ford should price them at where they stand to make another a 2-3 grand off of the full transmission swap. They should also specifically tell people that if you get both options installed at an authorized dealer they are 100% warrantied. Is it really that hard to do a bit of customer service for customers, a lot of them extremely loyal customers. There is a happy medium somewhere.

I have my own thread about my ongoing engine issues and getting Ford/FP to give me a straight answer as to what is going on and when it will be fixed.

You can do whatever you want, but I'm just surprised at how far you went with it. But, as a consumer that buys a lot of aftermarket parts, I guess I would shy away from a vendor that talks down to potential customers like I think you have multiple times in this thread. I get enough of that shit and headache from Ford Customer Service.
 

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I think the point of it was to say why does Ford need to give transmissions and coolers away at cost? The people who hit limp mode in traffic, or cruising down the highway, or under any normal driving conditions absolutely, yes, need their cars figured out and fixed. People going to the track or treating the back roads like the track are hitting limp mode because of aggressive driving outside of normal conditions, and if they knew that's what they wanted to do with it then they should have sought out a track pack. You really can't argue with that.

Your car carries a warranty, and that is the amount of time Ford guarantees your car to be trouble free. You can buy an extended warranty for extra peace of mind, or sell the car after the warranty expires if you think your trans is going to blow up because it runs at 180-250*.

Sorry to hear that you are th guy with the burning oil issue. I can understand that you're a little more fed up than most.
This is where I disagree with you and people with this train of thought. There is no way somebody should be able to get this thing to go limp while doing spirited back road driving. Also, it should at minimum have been released with enough cooling capacity to survive a 20-30 minute HPDE session by amateurs. As has been explained many many times, there are numerous "lesser" cars that are capable of doing this.

It is flat out embarrassing that Ford Performance or Ford corporate allowed this thing to get out the door with such low cooling limits regardless of what pack it is equipped with. This is why I think Ford for no other reason besides their own pride and reputation should fix these cars for people that want them fixed. Not for free and not by making thousands. I think making some cash on it is fine, but the MSRPs they came out with are insulting IMO. Also the length of time it took to get them out and the weird way you have to order them and the secrecy with which they were released and and......

Thanks and yes, I am frustrated, but I've had these same feelings before my personal issues with the car happened.
 

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I agree and disagree here, but let me explain. The issue is with the transmission. The trans spinning is what creates heat. On back roads, you don't have nearly as many sharp turns and curves, so you're probably going between 70-120 if your back roads are fairly easy going. As a result, people are probably spending a lot of time at the top of 3rd gear, and above 5k is probably when it really starts to heat up. In a way, I think driving aggressively on a nice country road can be almost as demanding if not some cases more so than a track.

About the lesser cars, exactly, they're lesser cars. They don't have the demand placed on them that the Shelby does. With the ability to turn the times that it does, you're really asking a lot of the car. It's pretty amazing that the trans is the only weak link that we know about. It's a well put together car if packaged to use as intended.

This is where I disagree with you and people with this train of thought. There is no way somebody should be able to get this thing to go limp while doing spirited back road driving. Also, it should at minimum have been released with enough cooling capacity to survive a 20-30 minute HPDE session by amateurs. As has been explained many many times, there are numerous "lesser" cars that are capable of doing this.

It is flat out embarrassing that Ford Performance or Ford corporate allowed this thing to get out the door with such low cooling limits regardless of what pack it is equipped with. This is why I think Ford for no other reason besides their own pride and reputation should fix these cars for people that want them fixed. Not for free and not by making thousands. I think making some cash on it is fine, but the MSRPs they came out with are insulting IMO. Also the length of time it took to get them out and the weird way you have to order them and the secrecy with which they were released and and......

Thanks and yes, I am frustrated, but I've had these same feelings before my personal issues with the car happened.
 

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IMO it's common sense if a manufacturer offers an option like coolers or TRACK PACK perhaps there is a reason for it.
I agree with everything you said right up until here. If I had bought a run of the mill Mustang I would agree with this as well. I didn't, I bought "the most Track Capable Mustang ever built", A Shelby GT350. I understand there are four versions. Let me see if I can help people to understand the issue. Here is the way I believed the cars were marketed.


Base Model- Cheapest entry to the GT350. Still not cheap, still a GT350. Nothing to make me think it was less of a performer.

Track Pack- A car built for someone who wants to track their car regularly but still keep the streetability, no carbon fiber wheels, smaller front splitter than an R, still has back seats, a/c, radio, etc...

Tech Pack- "The Sophisticated Performer" A car built for the people who want performance but also electronics technology. More of a daily driver, but possibly a few spirited drives and maybe an occasional al track day. Nothing said this couldn't be done until much later, not to mention on the street issues. To this day only people on forums really know this is an issue. Dealers don't or at least won't admit it.

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I agree and disagree here, but let me explain. The issue is with the transmission. The trans spinning is what creates heat. On back roads, you don't have nearly as many sharp turns and curves, so you're probably going between 70-120 if your back roads are fairly easy going. As a result, people are probably spending a lot of time at the top of 3rd gear, and above 5k is probably when it really starts to heat up. In a way, I think driving aggressively on a nice country road can be almost as demanding if not some cases more so than a track.

About the lesser cars, exactly, they're lesser cars. They don't have the demand placed on them that the Shelby does. With the ability to turn the times that it does, you're really asking a lot of the car. It's pretty amazing that the trans is the only weak link that we know about. It's a well put together car if packaged to use as intended.
They may not be able to turn the same lap times, but they are under the same stresses and can apparently handle it.

I will just have to disagree with the transmission being the only weak point of this car. And yes, this is said from frustration and my own personal experience with the car.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. FWIW, I do appreciate the civil conversation with you. Thanks :cheers:
 

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....as a consumer that buys a lot of aftermarket parts, I guess I would shy away from a vendor that talks down to potential customers like I think you have multiple times in this thread. I get enough of that shit and headache from Ford Customer Service.
That is pretty low. He expressed an opinion and laid it out in simple terms. Because his thoughts on the matter differ from yours doesn't mean he is "talking down" to you.
 

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That is pretty low. He expressed an opinion and laid it out in simple terms. Because his thoughts on the matter differ from yours doesn't mean he is "talking down" to you.
That was low? But, basically saying the GT350 crowd is a bunch of whiny spoiled rich bitches compared to the regular "Mustang" crowd isn't? Give me a break.

Edit: Here was his post. And that's what I got out of it any way as did at least one other poster.

Exactly. It amazes me how different the profile of Mustang owners are between the Shelby and regular Mustangs. Guys with GT's get an axle over temp warning 3 laps into a track session and work as a community to discuss a solution. They dont carry on about how Ford did them wrong. Shelby owners (except a few) fight and bicker about it while many solutions exist, have been offered up (in extreme detail) on this Forum by several members but this thread just goes on and on and on. I do not understand the disconnect with reality. Reading this makes it appear that every Tech Pack owner bought a car that does not function and sits in a garage unable to be driven.
 

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We've gone over this a million times in this thread, does it really need to be rehashed again? I (and most) don't want anything for free and obviously do not expect Ford to buy back the cars. But, I also don't think Ford should price them at where they stand to make another a 2-3 grand off of the full transmission swap. They should also specifically tell people that if you get both options installed at an authorized dealer they are 100% warrantied. Is it really that hard to do a bit of customer service for customers, a lot of them extremely loyal customers. There is a happy medium somewhere. So Ford should eat part of the cost of an upgrade because your car was not ordered with an option? I got lost driving my in my base Mustang, should Ford install Navigation for less than the cost of the option? The installing dealer would have to warranty the work they did and if their work caused a failure on something under warranty it would be covered.

I have my own thread about my ongoing engine issues and getting Ford/FP to give me a straight answer as to what is going on and when it will be fixed. I assume this is oil consumption? That is an issue manufacturers have struggled with for several decades. Ford struggled with engine failures during the Coyote and Boss so it comes as no surprise

You can do whatever you want, but I'm just surprised at how far you went with it. But, as a consumer that buys a lot of aftermarket parts, I guess I would shy away from a vendor that talks down to potential customers like I think you have multiple times in this thread. I get enough of that shit and headache from Ford Customer Service.
:confused: I am not allowed to ask or answer questions because it is "talking down"? I understand you are frustrated with your experience but through this thread I have offered information and suggestions. Several people have reached out to us based off of the information we provided. I apologize if by trying to understand what your expectations are offended you. I have tried to answer the warranty questions several different ways so the owners who have to go through this understand how this works. Everything I sell basically has the potential to void a warranty so we attempt to educate consumers on how the process works so they are armed with knowledge to protect themselves from Service Writer who is too lazy to pursue the proper channels. And now I pre-apologize to any good Service Writers out there.
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