2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[superman07]

Most(99%)cars are not guaranteed to work on the track, they are guaranteed to only work on the street.

So you are saying the 50th Anniversary of the Shelby GT350, From the internal group called Ford Performance, in limited quantaties is a rank and file car. OK.

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[superman07]

Ford considers hardcore track use to be anything over about 5-7 minutes.

 

[firestarter2]

So you are saying the 50th Anniversary of the Shelby GT350, From the internal group called Ford Performance, in limited quantaties is a rank and file car. OK.

Yes its a rank and file car built to a price point like all other fords.

I think people seem to think is something special and special rules apply.

 

[Colleton]

Yes its a rank and file car built to a price point like all other fords.

I think people seem to think is something special and special rules apply.

Yeah, it's a Ford Mustang, with everything that that implies. It was the same way with the GT500s.

1. The '07-'09 cars handled abominably, and I put a lot of money in my '09 getting the suspension up to par.
2. The '10 cars had the new refreshed body style and 40 more HP (IIRC), but the same iron block. I think the suspension was a little better. I did not own one of these.
3. The '11-'12 cars had the new aluminum block with PTWA, more HP (550), EPAS (steering effort varied by the speed of the car. Stiff at speed but light enough to steer with 1 finger at parking lot speeds. It was excellent) and a finally a truly improved suspension. I left my '11 stock and truly enjoyed it for the 2 years I DD it.
4. The '13-'14 cars really brought the heat. A new 5.8L aluminum block with PTWA and 662HP/631lbft of torque. Cockpit adjustable shocks/dampeners with suspension upgrades and multiple steering and suspension modes. I was seduced by the huge HP and TQ gains and ended up owning a '13 and then a '14. Honestly though, in the end I wish I'd kept the '11.

The point to all of this is that they were still Mustangs, built on the same assembly line as like their lesser brethren. They were no better fit and finish wise than any of the other S197 Mustangs rolling off the assembly line. Like the GT350 today, the money went to the engine and suspension upgrades, and that's what you were paying for.

Sometimes I'm tempted to just skip the GT350 and find an unmolested '14 GT500. Not nearly as capable a car as the GT350, but that power was intoxicating.

 

[Tomster]

Yes its a rank and file car built to a price point like all other fords.

I think people seem to think is something special and special rules apply.

That was my point all along. The various tiers were built to satisfy the best price point for each particular need. How many honestly would have spent the 6-7 thousand more for the cooler kit above the tech cost?

So far there are 20 something guys who are not happy. The manual said to add coolers for track use. Ford will be/is supplying cooler kits for purchase. The only problem I see here is a warranty issue.

Bitching about a tech pack not being able to track like a track pack is a stretch. What the bitch should be at this point is that the warranty will be voided.

That is what I think sucks. I hope ford changes their mind about the warranty issue.

 

[Colleton]

Has Ford said that the transmission warranty would be voided or is that internet supposition? I don't see how adding coolers would invalidate the transmission warning any more than installing a bigger aftermarket radiator would invalidate the engine warranty, and I don't believe that it does.

 

[USMC0341]

Honestly though, in the end I wish I'd kept the '11.
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Funny, I had the same thoughts about my 11 GT500. Great car!

 

[Tomster]

Has Ford said that the transmission warranty would be voided or is that internet supposition? I don't see how adding coolers would invalidate the transmission warning any more than installing a bigger aftermarket radiator would invalidate the engine warranty, and I don't believe that it does.

That's a good point. [MENTION=21788]Tank[/MENTION] stated that in his conversation with ford performance, the warranty would be voided.

Tank, can you elaborate? Do you think that someone should call for clarification?

 

[lemers]

I just went back three pages and looked at each of your posts. Before accusing me of ignoring a link, at least provide me with one so I can then ignore it.

The link on Pg 83. Advertises the GT350 as the most Track capable Mustang ever and capable of tackling the world's most challenging roads and tracks.

It did not distinguish performance between any models until near the very end. So all the claims made by ford prior to them talking about the different options are to be applied to ALL the GT350s no matter how they were optioned.

 

[Caballus]

Hmmm....summary:

Those not in compliance with the late to need advice Ford buried in an owner's supplement (instructions intended to be read after purchase) should not complain that the car cannot handle 20 minutes on the track or high speeds on the road?

Ford is rumored to be developing a solution that can be purchased at an additional handsome price...over a year after the advice buried in a manual was published?

The handsomely priced solution will address the transmission overheating problem...

It will do nothing for the diff, because Ford says that's not a problem...

Yet the advice says add coolers to the transmission and diff if you're going to drive at high speeds...

But Ford says you don't need to fully follow their advice...all of which contradicts the marketing campaign anyway...

Or is "don't worry about the diff for now" new advice...hmmmm...?

Never mind, just don't drive a well-advertised "5.2l flat plane crank" at "sustained high speeds..."

Clear.

 

[Tank]

That's a good point. [MENTION=21788]Tank[/MENTION] stated that in his conversation with ford performance, the warranty would be voided.

Tank, can you elaborate? Do you think that someone should call for clarification?

I said , or meant to say, the cooler kit would not be warranteed... I did not discuss the existing warranty on a Tech transmission. I'll call when FP opens and update this post.FP said warranty on existing Tech trans would not be void if cooler kit installed

Also, it's my understanding the crate trans wouldn't be warranteed.


I did ask Isaac about the mysterious appearance of an oil cooler on the Tech Packs, he stated that oil coolers on the 5.0 go back a way and the there could have been a disconnect between marketing and production...

 

[lemers]

I said the cooler kit would not be warranteed... It's my understanding the crate trans wouldn't be warranteed.

Seemed pretty clear to me. Do nothing to keep your warranty, fix the issues with Ford parts or not and void your warranty.


At this point, it seems that Ford is just writing us off.

 

[Tank]

Hey, I wanted the 8"screen/Nav but Ford refused to offer it on Track Pack cars. That really bothered me. But there was no way I was going to forego the added insurance that properly engineered cooling systems provide. I figured it was far easier to add the luxury later than to climb around under the car and add cooling system hardware.

Regardless, the packaging of this car for 2015/2016 sucked.

Couldn't agree with you more [MENTION=19066]Epiphany[/MENTION]!

My broken record here....I asked for all three coolers on my Tech, was told I couldn't get any only to be surprised by the engine oil cooler...My rationale in going for a Tech was that I thought it would be easier and not as expensive to climb around under the car to easily add the Ford recommended coolers (seeing other trim levels had them) than to tear apart my dash and add all the electonics as Ford didn't say anything about this possibility. 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing, too bad my eyesight sucks...

I think the fact that Ford moved on to include all three coolers in the '17 clears up any ambiguity about what the marketing materials on the '16 GT350 intended. Members like me want to vent and have an acceptable solution to correct the problems.

To that end, I will again acknowledge and thank you for your contributions to the solution- most evident in that we can actually see our trans temps now with the factory installed sensor in the factory installed screen

But, I think posts that challange our perceptions on how the '16 packages were marketed and what they intended is fruitless at this point.

 

[Mystic_Cobra]

Seemed pretty clear to me. Do nothing to keep your warranty, fix the issues with Ford parts or not and void your warranty.


At this point, it seems that Ford is just writing us off.

Fixing your car doesn't void the warranty. This has been hashed out for years on forums. An aftermarket tune doesn't void your warranty. If I install a shitty tune on my car and blow the engine, the engine isn't covered under warranty. It doesn't mean the warranty if voided. If I put a blower on the car and roast the rear diff, the diff probably won't be covered. But in both cases, the rest of the car not affected by the change I made is still covered. There is a difference.

I'd like to see where Ford has said that if you add a cooler to keep your transmission from overheating that it voids the warranty. That's now how this works.

 

[lemers]

Fixing your car doesn't void the warranty. This has been hashed out for years on forums. An aftermarket tune doesn't void your warranty. If I install a shitty tune on my car and blow the engine, the engine isn't covered under warranty. It doesn't mean the warranty if voided. If I put a blower on the car and roast the rear diff, the diff probably won't be covered. But in both cases, the rest of the car not affected by the change I made is still covered. There is a difference.

I'd like to see where Ford has said that if you add a cooler to keep your transmission from overheating that it voids the warranty. That's now how this works.

1. A few people with GT350s and no mods resently have been turned away

2. If I put a cooler on my trans and all of a sudden something goes wrong with the transmission, ford will refuse the warranty work. That action will leave me to pay for the repairs then try to recupe the costs in court.

3. Both of the "fixes" Ford is "rumored" to offer is also "rumored" to not provide a warranty on the parts from Ford.

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